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I was waiting for all the non-HP shooters to put up HP scores!  I always find it funny that HP cowgirls are so closed minded that they have to jump in and tell everyone else how good they are. Everyone has their idea of what fun is, mine is shooting plates as fast as I can, could care less how big my "groups" are as long as the plates are ringing. But I like to shoot most anything. I've done my share of chasing the sub MOA groups, even shoot sometimes offhand in different positions, never tried a coat or a real sling. It's all good. Gees sorry steel plate ninja..
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.
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Uphiker,
Guys like Butch are remarkable shooters, it is difficult to make the P100 once or twice much less multiple times. Since the match is only held once a year there is a lot of pressure to make that one chance count. Add in the fact the you shoot against all of the military team shooters, well you get the picture. Problem is now the cut is around 289 or 290. If you crossfire you are out. I shot the P100 in 2018, with a 99-5X at 600, 98-3X at 300, but those scores were easy because I blew my offhand, there was no pressure. Headed back in August for my fourth attempt.
Yeah, that was back in the M14/iron sights era. What I find funny is that the better shot you became, the more you realized how much more you had to learn, because you were constantly being squadded with the best shots in the country. I finished in 2000 as a middling expert but our club team finished in the upper third in Rattle Battle. I always enjoyed that. 2001, I got my shoulder ruined in a car accident and never shot competitively again.
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LOL, just rattling the cage from the inside, I can't shoot offhand or from a bench so I just have fun.
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Now that we've settled that, what next? Get out the rulers? ( I mean yardstick for me)
Politics is War by Other Means
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![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/Jh1KT8Yj/3-A265-DE0-2-B41-4-FE9-A7-B8-4-D5894-AD915-D.jpg) This is an older pic of one of our timed drills. Shoot 5 rounds standing 5 rounds kneeling and 5 rounds prone. Par time was 1 minute with most of the time spent getting into positions. My gun was a Colt 6720, that’s a 16” chrome lined pencil barrel with an EOTech EXPS2-0 if I remember right. Ammo was IMI M193, distance was 200 yards. Change a mag between positions and make gun safe before moving. Just messing around doing something besides shooting off the bench. You HP guys nervous yet? LOL.
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I see we need a yardstick to measure yours too!
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Better just bring a tape...
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cross fire.
Last edited by ChrisF; 02/07/23.
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Zero at 200 then shoot at other distances and see where you hit, right the results down.
Or zero at 100 yards and do the same because unless you're only concerned with getting hits somewhere on a full sized silhouette, you need to forget the 25, 50 or even the 36 yard zero. You need to know exactly where your gun hits at the distances you want to shoot in the conditions you are in. I have preached this shidt forever. Many hearing it get the 500 yard stare and start saying "But..but...Youtube..." If they haven't started slobbering yet, I explain the .mil zeroing regimen was carefully worked out with with rifles, ammunition and sights all held to strict government standards. Change any component and it all goes out the window. That's why the zeroing and sight adjustment protocols are different for the M16 than the M4. You've changed the barrel length, sight radius and terminal velocity and everything related to zeroing changes with that. AR's today, with widely disparate sighting and ammo combinations, have rendered it about useless. Regardless of the rifle type, I work hard to get a perfect 200 yard zero from the bench and then I haul the damn thing off the range. From then on I shoot from field positions (offhand, sitting, field expedient rests) which tells me what I can do with that rifle out to the farthest distance I might need to use it. If the results don't suit me, I know the problem is me. So I bust my ass and work harder to improve.
Direct Impingement is the Fart Joke of military rifle operating systems.
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