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New to the caliber from a reloading standpoint.... just made a deal on here in the Classifieds for a Winchester M70 Heavy Barrel Varmint. 26" heavy barrel, 1:9 twist.
I bought a bunch of 77gr Nosler Custom Competition bullets years ago at SPS with different ideas in mind, and they've say patiently since.
A little google-fu indicates that these should be good candidates for shooting in the new-to-me Winchester.
What powders are good for this? Saw a little bit referencing either/both RL15 and Varget. Seems like a lot of good 308 powders are mentioned with the 223...?
I also have a hunting rifle 308 to start loading for my kid. A powder I can use in a few rifles means I can justify (read = rationalize) buying an 8lber vs 1lb jars.
4064 too fast?
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8208 XBR, TAC, Varget, H4895, RL15 are all good. I've never tried 4064.
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I shot a ton of Varget with heavy bullets in my 223.
It was just so good, I didn't experiment any more.
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Push them fast, 1-9” might be a little slow for optimum performance. The extra barrel length will help. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...-eldm-advice-in-a-1-8-tikka#Post13634027Varget did for me with 75 ELDM in a 1-8” Tikka. P
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So I was mistaken. The bullets I have are 80’s.
They’re loooooooong. Probably not a good fit for this rig.
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Buy some 75 ELDM. Try my recipe (work up) and let me know.
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So I was mistaken. The bullets I have are 80’s.
They’re loooooooong. Probably not a good fit for this rig. they will work just fine.... it can still push 80s from a bolt action in the 2700 to 2800 fps MV without being over SAAMI specs...and they will stabilize just fine with a one in 9 twist. Make a dummy round, and see how far into the case body you have to seat it to clear the throat limitation of your rreceiver... i have a single shot Savage BVSS in 223 with a one in 9.... its a very accurate target rifle with those longer bullets...
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If the 80's don't work for you, hunt up some 75 Hornady HPBT or drop down to the 68 - 69 gr versions. Powders that are good in both are pretty easy, my list parallels NVhntr's.
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Here's what QuickLOAD spits out when asked for a list of powders suitable for that combination. The results actually included a lot more, but I edited out the absurd stuff that suggested 114% case fill, or predicted 87% of the powder would be burned, etc I was surprised to see Varget so far down the list, but real world results may be quite different from these predictions. Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 55000 psi, or 379 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 114 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
38 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 70%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Hodgdon CFE223 98.8 23.8 1.54 2836 98.4 55000 6370 1.203
IMR 3031 105.5 21.3 1.38 2833 100.0 55000 5779 1.205
IMR 4895 104.1 22.5 1.46 2829 98.2 55000 6375 1.214
Ramshot Big Game 104.6 24.1 1.56 2826 97.8 55000 6334 1.204
Winchester 748 96.9 22.5 1.46 2824 99.6 55000 6082 1.206
Hodgdon BL-C2 99.4 23.5 1.52 2824 99.0 55000 6282 1.214
Accurate 4064 108.2 22.9 1.48 2818 100.0 55000 5954 1.240
Alliant Reloder-15 104.8 22.7 1.47 2812 97.6 55000 6295 1.217
Accurate 2495 102.0 21.6 1.40 2806 100.0 55000 5704 1.245
Accurate 2520 99.9 22.8 1.48 2805 99.8 55000 5932 1.225
Hodgdon H4895 100.9 21.8 1.41 2800 98.6 55000 6153 1.221
Ramshot Wild Boar 99.2 22.9 1.49 2795 98.0 55000 6163 1.215
Alliant AR-Comp 100.4 21.0 1.36 2794 100.0 55000 5319 1.210
IMR 4320 106.4 22.6 1.47 2785 97.8 55000 6046 1.207
Vihtavuori N540 104.2 22.8 1.48 2780 100.0 55000 5882 1.221
Hodgdon H335 91.8 21.7 1.40 2779 100.0 55000 5774 1.219
Norma 202 101.9 21.7 1.40 2779 100.0 55000 5767 1.224
Hodgdon H322 97.2 20.4 1.32 2773 100.0 55000 5576 1.215
Vihtavuori N530 97.0 21.1 1.37 2772 99.1 55000 5910 1.221
Norma 201 102.3 21.6 1.40 2764 99.0 55000 5907 1.237
IMR 8208 XBR 99.1 21.4 1.39 2762 99.0 55000 5833 1.223
Hodgdon VARGET 106.7 22.3 1.45 2760 97.3 55000 5998 1.218
Accurate 2460 94.9 22.1 1.43 2757 99.5 55000 5743 1.240
Vihtavuori N140 104.0 22.1 1.43 2751 100.0 55000 5528 1.224
Ramshot TAC 98.3 22.9 1.49 2745 95.3 55000 6019 1.228
Accurate 2230 94.3 22.1 1.43 2740 98.6 55000 5729 1.235
Alliant Reloder-12 96.8 21.3 1.38 2738 100.0 55000 5432 1.225
Ramshot X-Terminator 95.8 22.1 1.43 2735 97.8 55000 5810 1.231
Alliant Reloder-10x 94.5 19.3 1.25 2733 100.0 55000 5216 1.236
Accurate 2015 97.4 20.2 1.31 2722 100.0 55000 5170 1.243
Hodgdon Benchmark 97.5 20.8 1.35 2717 99.3 55000 5542 1.232
Accurate 2200 89.1 19.6 1.27 2715 99.8 55000 5419 1.230
Norma 200 90.7 19.2 1.24 2712 100.0 55000 5073 1.254
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Thanks all!
Probably be a couple weeks till I have the rifle in hand. I’ll let you all know how it pans out.
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Varget.
Seafire has a ton of .223 info. Get on his good side and you'll be good to go.
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Varget.
Seafire has a ton of .223 info. Get on his good side and you'll be good to go. who's that guy? never heard of him...
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1-9 twist shilen would not stabalize the 75g a max at 3000 fps in a 223 ai
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1-9 twist shilen would not stabalize the 75g a max at 3000 fps in a 223 ai 26” barrel?
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Varget.
Seafire has a ton of .223 info. Get on his good side and you'll be good to go. who's that guy? never heard of him... He's a guy that can eat a full plate of my wife's cookies after saying "well i don't mind if I try a couple".
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Varget.
Seafire has a ton of .223 info. Get on his good side and you'll be good to go. who's that guy? never heard of him... He's a guy that can eat a full plate of my wife's cookies after saying "well i don't mind if I try a couple". I know a guy like that.... irksome ain't it? but I'd bet those cookies were awfully darn good! hope he told ya to tell your wife that fact....
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I've had more than one source suggest the Hornady 75gr HPBT. Any others that are pretty solid choices for this twist? If I'm gonna buy some bullets, no sense in reinventing the wheel, so to speak.
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I've had more than one source suggest the Hornady 75gr HPBT. Any others that are pretty solid choices for this twist? If I'm gonna buy some bullets, no sense in reinventing the wheel, so to speak.
If you are looking for game bullets I'd sure try 62 Gr. Speer Gold Dots...in varmint/target bullets the 68 Gr. Hornady BTHP...and the 60 gr NBT
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Not really looking to kill big game with it. I do have some 64gr Nosler BSB’s though for that possibility.
I’d be looking for range and woodchuck ammo.
I’ll check out those recommendations. Thanks!
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Either the 68BTHP or the 75 BTHP from Hornady...
powder options for both accuracy and velocity....
28 grains of H 380
27 grains of RL 15...
27 grains of IMR 4320...
24 grains of H 322...
25 grains of Benchmark.
25 grains of 4064, H4895 or IMR 4895.
I like S & B primers...SR
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