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The only Balistic tips I have used was at 200 yards, 150 gr. Nosler Bal. Tip, rib cage shot behind the shoulder on a Mule Deer, the bullet vaporized on impact, blew out a section of skin about 6 inches x 6 inches..The lungs appeared to be peppered like one would expect with No. 7.5 shot..instant kill, damn poor bullet performance...
I went back to partitions needless to say..I also pulled about 100 bullets and reloaded them with partitions and accubonds..
A game bullet should have the capability of shooting through an animal lengthwise IMO...
I have not used the 25 caliber balistic tips however,so perhaps they are a better bullet in 25 cal. but I doubt it., I believe the design is faulted in that it has no locking element other than jacket thickness, just like any old time cup and core bullet..
I suspect too much is based on only a few deer killed and unsubstaniated claims with this bullet..Most all bullets work most of the time and the worst bullets will fail only on ocassion, A lot of factors come into play such as muzzle velocity upon impact, range, angle, etc. etc. I, personally, would be suspecious of the 25 cal. balistic tip. If a bullet fails on me once or twice, chances of me forgiving it are slim to none, right or wrong, but that choice is mine and your choice is yours...
So, to each his own and its a personal choice, but IMO there are just too many proven good bullets out there in "premium persuasion" such as partition types, bonded core bullets, interlock bullets, Interbond bullets, to even bother taking a chance with any cup and core.
Guess I'm suspecious of claims for the most part, and I'm
old enough to remember the days when bullet failure was common..Fortunately, todays premium bullets are the best in history and are there for the taking. The key words to successfull hunting is "premium bullets" IMO, its the best hunt insurance you can buy...Let the non believers figure this out the hard way. That's a good post;solid advise IMHO...... Personally if I wanted a bullet for general deer hunting with the 25/06,the BT would not make the short list.Mostly because I have never swallowed the kool aid of plastic tips in a BG bullet,and after watching others use BT's (I won't use them myself),I have never seen the "magic" in the things,and can't see a difference between them and a Sierra,Hornady, or any other CC bullet.They all seem the same to me,and there is utterly nothing to distinguish them.I also do not believe in the concept of "chest cavity explosions" being key to DRT's,and reliable bullet performance.No bullet will provide DRT's all the time.Most of these guilding metal/antimony core bullets behave pretty much the same. If I were hunting the tiny deer in Texas,Pennsylvania,or the Coues of Arizona,I might think about a BT;along with a Sierra,Hornady,etc.because these animals are tiny,fragile,and easy to kill,and reuire very little in penetration. Out of the stuff commonly available,and for general purpose deer hunting in all the places I hunt deer, in the 25/06 I'd grab a 120 Partition and be done with it...I have used this bullet in the 25/06 and the 257 Roberts on deer and antelope;it works to perfection.
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I've used ballistic Tips since the 1980's on all sorts of deer... and back when I shot running game (I don't anymore, as sometimes it worked out well, sometimes not) the first generation b-tips would plow right on through, even on poor shots. I remember a 150 b-tip launched from a 30-06 going right through a deers ham, breaking the pelvis, and exiting the other ham. Ditto a 270/130 on a mule deer. Aside from those two poor shots, all others in the shoulder or ribs plowed through and dropped the deer right now. In fact, I've NEVER recovered a b-tip from a deer.
A 150 B-tip "vaporizing" on a mule deer's ribs is so contrary to anything I've ever seen with them, I'm inclined to call... well, never mind.
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I've used ballistic Tips since the 1980's on all sorts of deer... and back when I shot running game (I don't anymore, as sometimes it worked out well, sometimes not) the first generation b-tips would plow right on through, even on poor shots. I remember a 150 b-tip launched from a 30-06 going right through a deers ham, breaking the pelvis, and exiting the other ham. Ditto a 270/130 on a mule deer. Aside from those two poor shots, all others in the shoulder or ribs plowed through and dropped the deer right now. In fact, I've NEVER recovered a b-tip from a deer.
A 150 B-tip "vaporizing" on a mule deer's ribs is so contrary to anything I've ever seen with them, I'm inclined to call... well, never mind. Then your experiences would be completely different than my friends and relatives. No one in our group uses them anymore. Only worked if no shoulders etc were hit. We didn't recover "bullets" either, just shrapnel. I know they are supposed to be better now, butt I can't bring myself to try them. Common Speer, Remington, Sierra bullets were much more reliable than early Nosler BT in my experience.
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If I were hunting the tiny deer in Texas,Pennsylvania.... I've been hunting deer in north central PA along the NY border, for over 45 years. They are essentially what many in these parts call "big woods" deer and were never as hefty as the farm country deer common much father south. That said, it's no longer uncommon to see bucks weighing in excess of 175lbs brought in at the local buck contests now, with quite a few tipping the scales at 200lbs live weight. I don't consider any deer that weighs 140 to 150lbs on the hoof, to be a "tiny deer" and they are no longer all that rare where I hunt. I have also killed some of them fairly dead, with BTs. A recovered bullet or blood trail, has never been high on my list of criteria for an acceptable deer bullet. A dead deer on the ground (most often dead within a few yards of where it was struck), works pretty well in my book. But after all these years, WTH do I know? ;O)
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AMEN Dubepa, they can follow the blood trail while I'm loading up my deer. Now grant you I do hunt mostly eastern NC deer which are in the medium size range 170 -190 pound and I know if I was hunting the 250 pounders I would change to something a little tougher, but so far it is by far the very best, quickest killing bullet I have ever used on deer.
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My Rem 700 25-06 loves Hornady 120g HP #2560. Averages 2850 feet/sec with 50.5g RE-22. All deer kills have had large exit wounds. Also shoots Speer 100g HP's real well, though have not used these hunting.
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A 150 B-tip "vaporizing" on a mule deer's ribs is so contrary to anything I've ever seen with them, I'm inclined to call... well, never mind.
I decided to call it what it is... bullchit.
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I'm with Mac on this one, as I've used the NBT's since they came out and have quite possibly taken more game with them than with any other bullets. (maybe, I can't remember for sure...grin)
Now I can say this, I can only recall ever finding two of them in game. One was on a gigantor muley doe out of my M70/Fwt 22/250. That 55 took her thru both fronts and I found the bullet on the far side about to exit. I took her at about 90 yds or so. The other was out of my 338/06 on a 5 pt bull, the bull went down lights out @ about 225 yds or so. 200 NBT if I recall right went in and took out a front on the way in, then up thru the neck breaking it and we found the slug right at the base of the skull. It looked model perfecto!
The only thing I'd say about the bullet is that it does tend to push some meat around if the range is fairly close and if the round has some gas behind it.
But, I can live with that as I've noticed that hits from the NBT does tend to encourage the critters to show that they've been hit.
From the 22's thru the 338's I've used the bullet on game and would not fret one bit if I had to use the bullet for all that moves the rest of my life.
But then again I like to "vaporize" things...
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Mark, when it comes to bullets I tend to think people see what they want to see... I'm of the opinion that most aren't very careful and/or objective reporters of what they've seen, and/or haven't really enough experience with something to give an intelligent/accurate report of same.
Of course, push any cup/core bullet over 3K and you'll start to see some wonky things, but the idea that a 150 B-tip "vaporized" on the ribs of a mule deer, unless launched at 3,600 fps, is pure fabrication...
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It always amazes me how someone will call a mans statement bullshit or call a man a lier, when he doesn't have to face him..
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I was hunting for this post since dogzapper hasn't wieghed in yet. About halfway down: 100 grain ballistic tip The other BT cited as being tougher than others is the 7MM 120 grain. I plan to try them in my 280. _
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I think Mr DZ is in Italy at the moment? Otherwise, I am sure he would have been here, so to speak! 
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I think 99% of the stories you hear about bullets vaporizing on the side of a deer and only causing a flesh wound are bull shat. And when I hera a guy tell them a flag goes up.
Like Dober I have used the BT since it came out and I have always had excellent performance, even the early "soft" ones . I have never had a Barnes rodeo with them either.
And I have shot a few animals with the 100gr BT out of a 25-06 and they never didnt work.
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I have used the 100gn Ballistic Tip in a .250-3000 and a .257 Roberts on pigs and found it a very good performer on feral pigs and a goat. I think the later bullets are a lot tougher than the earlier ones. From the .250 Sav. I have had this bullet exit side on shots on many occasions. I have not tried it in my .25-06 yet but a mate has and has taken a few pigs so far without trouble.
Buy a couple of boxes and try it for yourself.
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FWIW .... probably zilch ... I've used 115gr BST outta a 25-06 on deer with good success ... turned those lungs to jelly. oh, yeah...well, the BTs turn lungs to tomato soup. 
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The 100 grain Ballistic Tip is a great bullet for deer. Myself and several friends have been loading them in our 25-06s for years. Buy some and go kill stuff! +1 These are tougher bullets than you would think. When the ballistic tips first came out, they were too explosive, they have toughened them up. I would advise you to buy all they have got if the price is cheap....cheap ammo hardly exists anymore. Good luck!
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Still have some from when they were 100 to a box. Also have several "current" boxes with 50 per. Probably won't need to buy any more of 'em in my lifetime? Seldom use them for woodchucks now, just deer.
Stopped at a rural gun shop some years ago, as is my habit when traveling. First 100 count box of 100gr Btips I picked up, were marked at $12.59. Next box had a sticker for $15.00, as did all the others. Asked the clerk how's come, he didn't know. I bought the cheaper box.
Owner came out just as I'd paid for the Btips and the clerk asked him why the difference in price? The guy went off on the clerk, said he should've charged me the higher price. Never stopped there again. ;O)
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I guess I'll throw in my 2cents worth. I heard the stories of the early BTs so I've steered clear of them. Because I was influenced by my favorite uncle I started out shooting the Sierra 90gr HPBT it was always a fast killer except for when it wasn't. The last deer I shot with them was hit on the ball joint of the shoulder and while it died in a matter of seconds and only ran forty yards it never bleed a drop until it hit the ground. By the next hunting season I had worked up a load with the 100gr Nosler Partition. I've never looked back....
Twenty some odd years, and a truckload of deer later, I can't imagine a better bullet for the 25/06. If I were to ever have to use it for larger animals I would load 120gr Partitions for the job at hand and expect a dead animal at the end of an easy to follow blood trail. I have toyed with the idea of shooting the 120gr Partitions for deer but the 100gr does all I ask of it.
A couple years ago I became the proud owner of a Ruger No. One RSI in 257Roberts. The first and only bullet I tried was the 100gr Partition. I'm sure there are those who would use some other combination but I'm sold on the Partition.
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Wow, this is an old thread. A few people posted who arent around anymore. I built a faux-ti 2506ai about a year or so after this post was made. I messaged dogzapper on his article he had written on the 2506 and he printed it out, wrote a message and mailed it to me. I killed some whitetails and antelope with that rifle from inside 100yds to just under 500yds, all with 100nbt's. That bullet worked really well. Sold the rifle a few years later on here. Should have kept it 😂
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