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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Cutting Edge and Hammer are newer technology copper bullets. They’re more expansive than Barnes, designed to frag.

Not sure about CEB, but Hammer offers bullets of varying degrees of expansion with different percentages remaining in the core. Pretty interesting concept. One can match velocity with critter being hunted, for optimal terminal performance. Accuracy is excellent.

Expensive but IMO, worth it.

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Way Too expensive for those that walk to their hunting location, consume no food or beverages when hunting, do not pay hunting lease fees or spend thousands of $ on guided hunts, ect.

Everyone knows that the bullets fired during the hunting season are the most expensive part of hunting! 😉 memtb

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Originally Posted by jwp475
Barnes has painted themselves into a corner by claiming near 100% weight retention.

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The larger bullet above (next to a recovered .243 bullet in the second pic) is a 225gr .338 TTSX, shot out of a 26” 340 Wby: -- hit a moose in the right-rear ribs at about 3,040 fps; went through about 4-1/2 feet of moose; ended up breaking the left front shoulder; and ended up under the hide by the shoulder. IIRC, it now weighs 196 grains. So, after all of that, it retained about 87%, but not 100%, of its weight.

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Originally Posted by MarineHawk
Originally Posted by jwp475
Barnes has painted themselves into a corner by claiming near 100% weight retention.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

The larger bullet above (next to a recovered .243 bullet in the second pic) is a 225gr .338 TTSX, shot out of a 26” 340 Wby: -- hit a moose in the right-rear ribs at about 3,040 fps; went through about 4-1/2 feet of moose; ended up breaking the left front shoulder; and ended up under the hide by the shoulder. IIRC, it now weighs 196 grains. So, after all of that, it retained about 87%, but not 100%, of its weight.

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Originally Posted by MarineHawk
Originally Posted by jwp475
Barnes has painted themselves into a corner by claiming near 100% weight retention.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

The larger bullet above (next to a recovered .243 bullet in the second pic) is a 225gr .338 TTSX, shot out of a 26” 340 Wby: -- hit a moose in the right-rear ribs at about 3,040 fps; went through about 4-1/2 feet of moose; ended up breaking the left front shoulder; and ended up under the hide by the shoulder. IIRC, it now weighs 196 grains. So, after all of that, it retained about 87%, but not 100%, of its weight.


I have zero problems with that performance



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Originally Posted by MarineHawk
Originally Posted by jwp475
Barnes has painted themselves into a corner by claiming near 100% weight retention.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

The larger bullet above (next to a recovered .243 bullet in the second pic) is a 225gr .338 TTSX, shot out of a 26” 340 Wby: -- hit a moose in the right-rear ribs at about 3,040 fps; went through about 4-1/2 feet of moose; ended up breaking the left front shoulder; and ended up under the hide by the shoulder. IIRC, it now weighs 196 grains. So, after all of that, it retained about 87%, but not 100%, of its weight.


I have zero problems with that performance



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LRX 175 gr 30 cal on elk from 30-378. 3470 muzzle velocity. 270 yard shot.

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416 Bee 300 gr TSX at 3150 fps. Antelope at 363 yards. Exit wound. I say they expanded.

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Originally Posted by Fotis
416 Bee 300 gr TSX at 3150 fps. Antelope at 363 yards. Exit wound. I say they expanded.

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Dang!!! Are you sure you brought enough gun for that?

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LOL I think so!
I am working on my 460 Bee this year. 404 gr hammers at 3000 fps via RL17!


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I have limited experience with monos, but I did have one "pencil" a large buck a few years back. TTSX 185 grain out of a 338 Federal. Shot behind the shoulder at 250 yards. He died, but did run a fair distance and spilled very little blood. Exit hole diameter was same as entry. Do they work? Sure. Most likely due to slower velocities and not smacking bone, but that experience tarnished my confidence in that particular load. Just my 2 cents...

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Originally Posted by techfish
I have limited experience with monos, but I did have one "pencil" a large buck a few years back. TTSX 185 grain out of a 338 Federal. Shot behind the shoulder at 250 yards. He died, but did run a fair distance and spilled very little blood. Exit hole diameter was same as entry. Do they work? Sure. Most likely due to slower velocities and not smacking bone, but that experience tarnished my confidence in that particular load. Just my 2 cents...
How was the internal damage?

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I have limited experience with monos, but I did have one "pencil" a large buck a few years back. TTSX 185 grain out of a 338 Federal. Shot behind the shoulder at 250 yards. He died, but did run a fair distance and spilled very little blood. Exit hole diameter was same as entry. Do they work? Sure. Most likely due to slower velocities and not smacking bone, but that experience tarnished my confidence in that particular load. Just my 2 cents...
How was the internal damage?
The bullet hit the bottom of both lungs, so the cavity was blood filled. The damage was clearly there, but nothing like a NBT or SGK. Again, lots of variables and one instance...

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I have very limited experience with copper bullets a whitetail and a mouflon, in both of those cases it seamed to be slower killing. Both animals were shot through the lungs and both went well over 100 yards. Based on this limited experience I have stuck with conventional and bonded bullets instead.


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Originally Posted by OGB
Fotis' gun safe makes mine look like a box of puppies.




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Originally Posted by LBP
I have very limited experience with copper bullets a whitetail and a mouflon, in both of those cases it seamed to be slower killing. Both animals were shot through the lungs and both went well over 100 yards. Based on this limited experience I have stuck with conventional and bonded bullets instead.

What type of bullet/cartridge? What velocity?

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In both cases it was a .223. One was the 53gr tsx and the other was a 55gr tsx. The whitetail was taken at about 50 yards. The mouflon was about 100 yards. Muzzle velocity in both cases was about 3300 fps.


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Going to south Texas on a hog hunt next week.

Decided to try something different, so I snagged some .224, 55gr tsx.

Loaded them in my custom 22/250, over 35 5 of varget.

Getting half moa or better, at 3700.

Thinking they should do wondrous things to hogs.

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For those that like the solid copper bullet, you might want to look at the LEHIGH DEFENSE line of bullets. They have come out with several new styles and they are available . A video I saw last week showed their new manufacturing plant in NE Texas producing about 400,000 bullet a week. The bullets can be bought thru WILSON COMBAT in North Arkansas, Berryville.

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I can't think of any bullets made out of copper. But I think they made them maybe a century ago???


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Originally Posted by OGB
Fotis' gun safe makes mine look like a box of puppies.
He do have some hosses in his safe.

I'm now on a mission to load Absolute Hammer bullets. As you know, they're designed so the ogive doesn't engrave the rifling, the only thing touching the bore is the patented, low friction driving bands. Thus, they can be pushed at higher velocities, often 150 fps and even more more above conventional loads. And, to fill the case with enough powder to get those speeds, faster than usual powder is needed.

I've ordered 15 bullet samples for a number of rounds. Say for example, H-4350 is the typical powder for a round, you may now be using Varget or similar burn rate.

They also recommend good neck tension for these slippery bullets. I don't have bench rest type sizers to swap out bushings, so I use a Lee Factory Crimp to insure good neck tension. I know some don't crimp, just going with the recommendation for adequate neck tension. In my case, that's the easiest way to get there.

The Shock Hammer that I've used opens a bit faster than the Hammer Hunter with its smaller 1.5 mm HP. The Shock Hammer has 80% core retention, whereas the Hunter has 60-70% retention. The Absolute Hammer has the same HP as the Hunter, both high BC bullets for LR shooting.

It changes the dynamic when you can get .300 WM performance out of an '06, .300 RUM performance out of a .300 WM. Even that infamous "man bun" round comes alive, running with the big boys, like 109 gr. AH at 3,200-3,300 fps. Yeah...

Interesting stuff. Check it out.

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