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Originally Posted by mannyspd1
If time is a premium and you would rather spend it at the range, I would consider this:

Don't buy a different new rifle shooting a different caliber than your 6.5 PRC that you intend to actually use. Use that money to buy more of your chosen ammo for that 6.5 and go and practice with that. Shoot it at various distances and wind conditions from actual field positions, not just from the bench.

A different rifle will handle differently, trigger will break differently, trajectory and wind bucking will be different, all not conducive to having limited time on the range. Save your brass, you may reload one day.

Good luck with your decision and practice.

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Manny is very much SPOT ON here.

For years due to my occupation, I used a .308/7.62 and shot M118LR pretty much exclusively. I used it at work and I used it in competition as well as in the mountains and desert while hunting. For those not familiar, the M118 LR uses a Sierra 175 grain Matchking. Were there better projectiles? Sure. But when you shoot thousands of them from prone, from rooftops, from bipods/tripods, at work, then take them to the field hunting, you are extremely familiar with the drops, with wind calls, how they will do in mountain thermals, updrafts and downdrafts, etc.

You simply cannot replicate that familiarity shooting 3 different cartridges. I shot a bunch of various live targets with them, including deer, elk, and other things. Everything fell over dead.

Now that I retired from all that, I shoot 155 Scenars almost exclusively for .308s for the same reason.

I personally would shoot what you have exclusively and keep an old school data book of the conditions you shoot it in to record your notes.


By all means take advantage of the modern ballistic programs. They are excellent. But each time you shoot record the information on wind calls, come ups, etc. That way you have notes you can refer to.

This is an old note from shooting movers at 800, with an M24 and fixed 10. Not what I used these days but still useful for referring to.

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Keeping good notes can also tell you when you may have an equipment or an ammo issue, such as when your gun was fine at 800, but you dial windage and elevation for 500 on a KD range and all of the sudden it can barely keep them on paper. Same lot of ammo too.

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I'd agree 100% IF:

1. I had the money for ammo and more importantly the range to effectively practice with the real thing.

Example; there's not going to be a whole lot of learning to read conditions going on with a 6.5PRC on a 100yd range. But at 200-300 a .22LR works well for that, extend it some and a .223 does too.

2. IF I already had my basics down. If learning to shoot LR, there's a whole lot of practice to be done shooting from positions, backpack tripod etc. A lot of that can be worked on with a .22LR. I can (and do) spend and afternoon shooting working on just positions. With a .22LR or .223 recoil never becomes an issue. I even do some dryfire practice to work on positions in my basement.


So, IF you can't afford the ammo, or don't have the range, what's the solution? Like we say at work "Excellence is the enemy of good enough." or in the absence of perfection, we do nothing.


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Originally Posted by Magnum_Bob
Nobody else said it but I will, what is the point pairing a 6.5 PRC WITH A SHORT BARREL?.. MB

He didn't say what length, unless I missed it somewhere.

I am guessing a 20-22 inch length for the sake of guessing...

If you want to shoot a short barrel for portability or to keep your OAL length down because of a suppressor, you just jump case capacity up some and you still get the performance level and accuracy level you want with a shorter package.

Or you can imply go that route because you want to...


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Cost efficient would be a chamber in 223 Rem, 6mmARC or 6.5 Grendel on a Howa Mini platform. Plenty of aftermarket upgrades like gunstocks, magazine replacement, bottom metal replacement, etc. But for honing in one’s shooting skills a stock Howa mini rifle in those chambers with 20” or 22” barrel are nice, accurate shooters. They all have correct fast twist rates and offer excellent long range ballistic capability.

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If you’re going to buy a new rifle, scope, and ammo for practice, how much factory ammo for your main hunting rifle could you buy?

Maybe just take the money you’d spend and buy ammo.





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I'm not a big man bun guy but in enjoy shooting the 6.5 creedmoor at distance bc it shoots well with factory ammo and available and reasonable.

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The .22 is hard to beat. Use a reduced size target at 100 yards. .
Back in my CMP shooting days,, our local club only had a 100 yard range. So we used the reduced targets for phases normally held at longer distances.
If using a scope remember to reduce the magnification as well.

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Originally Posted by WStrayer
The .22 is hard to beat. Use a reduced size target at 100 yards. .
Back in my CMP shooting days,, our local club only had a 100 yard range. So we used the reduced targets for phases normally held at longer distances.
If using a scope remember to reduce the magnification as well.

This is what I do, with both 22LR and .223. Cheap effective practice, extend the range and get practice reading conditions.

Back when I was heavily into BPCRs; LR, Buffalo Matches and Silhouette, I conversed with a gentlemen who had one the international BPCR LR match in South Africa I was surprised to learn that he was from my home state of RI. as there's a definite shortage of LR practice opportunities there. His solution was to build a .22LR as the ballistics of the .22LR at 2-300 yds was similar to a .45-90 at distance. Since then I've been hooked on .22LR for practice.


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Originally Posted by pete53
to learn accuracy just the standard 22 LR at 25 YD. pit then 50 yard pit when can shoot extremely well at 50 yards you will know the difference then. good luck

I like that answer pete. I often don't think about all the guys that did not grow up using a 22lr for practice, hunting, and just plain learning marksmanship. What I've been seeing lately is guys getting in to the game later in life, some in their 20's, 30's and even 40's or 50's. No disrespect to them, but they would in fact learn more about shooting, if they also started out with a good accurate 22lr. Start with irons like a lot of us did. I never did dry fire, never will since I shoot a lot of ammo at the range. And as a kid, I slayed a lot of schidt, while also target practicing with my dad just about every weekend. Countless hours of practice is what makes you good. Good instruction and muscle memory are key. And being very consistent is what makes you good at shooting long range.. A good shooting 22lr will tell you when you are making mistakes. Better to make those at the range, rather than on the killing fields.. JMHO..


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Originally Posted by Pharmseller
If you’re going to buy a new rifle, scope, and ammo for practice, how much factory ammo for your main hunting rifle could you buy?

Maybe just take the money you’d spend and buy ammo.

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^^Generally going to be the best solution.

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I recently got a custom 6x47 Lapua for a similar role as a truck/practice rifle as the 6x47 Lapua run gently should have great barrel life.

I didn’t like the weight and balance of the 26” m24 barrel. Sent it to Kampfeld for a chop to 22” and spiral fluting which cut a little over 2.5 #’s off.

Much happier now, just waiting for the new scope. The 4-20 monarch was loose and just a place holder for now.

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I’ve got a Tikka CTR in 223 that is a lot of fun and man can you whistle some ammo through it. It’s accurate, easy to shoot and just works well.

The 22 LR is likely the best answer for sheer shooting but I don’t mind cranking on the Dillon to make ammo and it is a lot of fun.


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Originally Posted by BRSnow
Hi, what would be the best for cost efficiencies for practice if you didn’t plan on reloading for it? I certainly realize reloading would be best, but time is a premium and I rather spend it at the range. Appreciate it.

22LR, same principles apply.

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Sounds like the OP wants to buy a rifle... smile

I personally love practicing with the fast-twist .223AI I built. A fast twist .223 would be almost as good. I also really like that it’s on the same platform as most of my other rifles (M700), so the form factor, trigger, LOP, and so on are the same, or at least similar. My recoil-sensitive youngest daughter loves it too. Pic below is her tormenting some clays we hiked in to the clearing opposite. Range is around 500. It’s always windy in that particular canyon.

At least in terms of factory centerfire ammo, it doesn’t get any cheaper than .223....

Hat tip to Stick for the good advice on the stock, bottom metal, and mags.

Edit to add: if the OP doesn’t have an AR, that would be a great option too. BUT, the trigger will need to be upgraded, they have COAL limitations that directly effect longer-range practice, due to the bullets you can use, and the ergo’s are completely different than bolt guns, like REALLY different. And you can’t have just the one. smile

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