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How is that even possible? To get an actual answer concerning spirituality requires you first be dead or something I have no knowledge of.
I'm not some charlatan that threatens people with eternal burning for not bending over for him. How could I know what comes after?
To be curious about God and then to simply stop and get cynical when you don't get the immediate satisfaction of concrete answers could be screwing yourself in the worst way a man can.
The guys who are speaking their faith here and elsewhere are just like you. We're all looking. Some of us have been looking all their lives and we still guess.
The reward I've found so far doesn't sound overly impressive. Just a direction with a goal.
After going in that direction awhile though, I've found that I've lost the fear of life and what comes next. I feel better now than I have in a a very long time.
The side perk is I've gotten to proudly look at myself in the mirror these past 20+ years.

Thanks Ringman.

Now, if you get a chance please refresh me some time on exactly what that means to us believers.

We are saved from hell if we believe? Do we have to display the fruits of a Christian, try to be as Christ?

What does it mean to believers with respect to the 10 commandments? Do we have to observe them?

Thanks.

You reiterated your question several pages later so I will try to give you an answer.

Adam and Eve were the crowning glory of His creation. Adam was given the command not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Adam had the responsibility to instruct Eve. In the New Testament we are clearly told Eve was deceived but Adam was not. Therefore Adam deliberately violated God’s command. God gave three different punishments. To Eve He said, “I will GREATLY multiply your pain in childbirth.” To Satan He cursed him to crawl on his belly. I guess if we could see Satan we would see a being crawling on his belly. But to Adam He appeared by our human standards to go overboard. God cursed Adam to die and work for a living. Not only did God curse Adam, but He, being Infinite did something in a very big way. He cursed the entire universe. I guess entropy was bigly introduced.

Stars started burning out. (There is scientific evidence showing enough burned out stars for around 7,000 years. The discoverer was not a creationist.) That day death was introduced. God’s Word tells us that one man brought death to the world. That means there was no death prior to Adam’s rebellion. The New Testament tells us they died spiritually right then and died physically years later. Included in cursing the universe, God brought disease, hard work, thorns and thistles, and all manner of maladies. God does not show favoritism. He occasionally kills babies with sudden death syndrome. He kills babies with cancer and measles and lots of other disease He created to display His infinite anger.

Eventually He was angry enough to destroy everyone except Noah (and his wife) and three of his sons and their wives. That includes beautiful virgins, puppies, butterflies and everything not on the boat. An interesting fact of science is all women are descended from one of three women; based on DNA evidence. Another interesting thing is all fossil trees, no matter where they are found on the earth have less than 1,700 rings. What’s so interesting about that? Noah’s Flood happened 1,656 years after creation.

God’s Word tells us the entire creation groans waiting for its redemption when Jesus returns to restore everything to creation’s original beautiful state where there is no more death or disease.

That was never in question fool.

Point is, most wicked humans would still try to do something to prevent it if there at the time,
where God does not.



This wicked world is Gods model....Gods creation was always going to be wicked by his own divine will.
simply because his Son was already destined as a sacrifice before the beginning of the world.

Nobody is responsible for Gods plans but God Himself.



two or three yr old toddler cannot be expected to have all the God qualities to avoid the busy road and an impending disaster.

Only a moron would expect such a vulnerable unawares child to use free-will like a wise old sage.



mankind Kills the child?..you really blame the whole of mankind?.

AS Ive said in previous threads, God seems indifferent, So Im inclined to say Gods INDIFFERENCE
allows children to get run over.




Nowhere have I said God is wicked...resorting to lies shows how desperate you are and what type of Christian you are.

Thanks, Rm.

Great post. The Word comes alive as you tell it.

The "Ten Commandments" were only the first ten of about 600. In fact on the same page there were two more. Don't make an altar of cut stones and don't go up to the altar by steps. They are gone. All of them.

I see two salvations. One is here and now. We are saved from the bondage of sin. And we are eventually saved from Hell.

As far as the fruits....
If one is truly born again, they will display the fruit of the Spirit: Love, Joy, Peace, Patients, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness, and Self control. Of course they will not arrive the day they commit to the Lord. Otherwise Jesus would not say, "Grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." Most certainly there should be a noticeable change in one's life.

Children die because humans die. Humans die because man denied Him for Satan.

Trystan is correct.

Wow Jag,

you are the Christian who praised Billy Graham and said he is now in heaven, despite him supporting murder of unborns

I can't find anything in scripture that indicates Graham is currently in Heaven., rather it indicates he is awaiting judgement
in the underworld with all the other dead.

consequently common sense tells me to also you pass on your judgement that 'Trystan is correct.'





So why do some christians send prayers to try and change a persons fate when God already says
they must die?

The absurd contradictions and hypocrisy that rattle around in peabrain christian minds never cease.
Fantasies built on foundations of fantasies.

All of you that don't believe in my God,I want you ask your self this,then think about it for awhile .!just what IF there is a god

I don’t know about everybody here, but I believe in God. I just don’t take the Bible literally, or really much at all.

Simple. God says the prayers of a righteous man have power.

He also said to bring all things to Him in prayer.

He also said to pray unceasingly.

What did he tell the thief on the cross beside him as to where he would soon be.

Does it matter- in the blink of an eye....

Silly boy.

The OT law was necessary for Israel to become aware of sin and to convict the Israelites of their sin. The law was established to point out man's unrighteousness for Israel between the time of Moses and Jesus. Man is utterly depraved, but Jesus brought salvation with the cross and the new covenant. Now Jesus convicts people of their sins and is the living law. God himself is in our hearts in the person of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus fulfilled the law, all 613 OT laws, and now we have the living law written on our hearts, along with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The law has always pointed to Jesus, and Jesus nailed the shadow of the law to the cross. Hebrews 10:1 and Colossians 2

The law of sin and death is fulfilled in Him. Romans 8:1-4. The law was and is God. The written law was a temporary covenant for an arrogant people. Jesus fulfilled the law and is the eternal living law.

Our righteousness is based on faith and not on law. Romans 10:5-17. Jesus filled the law and the prophets and is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. All the entire law, not just the ceremonial law, was nailed to the cross.

We are not under the law anymore but the grace of God. Galatians 2 and 3

All right. Great post. Thanks for that.

Happy for you bill. Glad you have found answers that work for you.

So, they had all those laws they had to bide by to realize how much they had been sinning and had to kill all that stuff on the altar to atone for their sins.

Now, we are cleaned of sin by His blood if we accept that He suffered and died to bear our sin for us, if we repent, turn from it, and ask forgiveness of it.

Man became aware of his sin and learned he couldnt live and not sin. It was impossible. Then came the Saviour to let us be freed from its curse.

You are not fit to shine Billy Graham’s shoes. Everyone I’ve ever heard badmouth Billy or Franklin Graham did it out of envy.

You are just one more added to the list....and close to the bottom of it.

Appreciate the insight between testaments. Interesting.

That would make all the Genesis stuff still true though, no? The history of man etc? Just the guidelines on salvation would be updated thru Christ etc?




Are you suggesting that even though I don't believe in it, that I pretend I do in an attempt to fool God, in case I'm wrong? I don't expect God would be altogether excited about me lying to Him. Seems like he'd be able to tell the difference.

This may stun you, but that exact question, what if the re IS a God, is generally the question people START with, and circle back to.

Like!

The "sin" you have all committed is thinking you had the answer.

Yeah, the answer is the Word and the word is Jesus and because of Him we have the answer to the sin we have and admit and ask Him to wash it away for us and that is how we are saved from sin by Him.

Amen.