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With 2 piece Weaver bases, using a boresighter, I shim and glass bed them so they are parallel with the bore and there is no bind on the rings.

With a scope adjusted so the crosshairs are in the center of the tube, the rifle starts out on the paper.


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Originally Posted by Clarkm
With 2 piece Weaver bases, using a boresighter, I shim and glass bed them so they are parallel with the bore and there is no bind on the rings.

With a scope adjusted so the crosshairs are in the center of the tube, the rifle starts out on the paper.

That's what benchrest shooters do with their rifles. Good point. It reduces angular offset in the scope to bore axis relationship. The least amount of angular offset you have, the better it is on your equipment. Mainly because you can keep the scope centered, which reduces stress. Less stress on everything is a good thing, thus the reason you also bed your bases and I'm sure you also properly glass bed your action in a stress free manner. All good things when considering shooting "long range". When you bed your bases for proper alignment, I bet you don't have to lap those rings. Something you left out of your post.


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I almost never lap rings but I do usually glassbed the scope into the rings. As to how much it helps accuracy; it depends on where you started from. If initial alignment was really bad, the benefits are more likely to be apparent than if the alignment was decent to start with. GD

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Everybody likely knows but I say it anyway, if you remove the scope/rings make sure to not mix up the direction the rings were facing and the correct orientation of the top ring half.


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I've never lapped. I don't think it's necessary with quality rings.

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Rings as a whole,are rather surprisingly straight. Receivers however,are NOT. Them who haven't seen a woe,simply haven't shot much of anything,or are "blessed" with crossed-eyes...the "lucky" kchunts. Hint.

'Horn rings very obviously have no equal,due their surface area and self aligning nature,with the ability to coax erector travel and mechanically center windage in copious Robustitude. Hint.

I also hear they can take a lick. Hint.





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Stray Dog: Virtually impossible to "quantify"!
But I lap all my new ring/mount/scope installations - so many mysterious "problems" have disappeared from my Rifle shooting hobby since I started doing so 30+ years ago!
Lapping rings - of course and for sure.
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Originally Posted by mathman
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Maximum surface contact is the goal with lapped rings. I've never noticed a different when fielding the rifle, but when initially setting one up and getting it mounted, lapped rings let the scope move smoother than unlapped rings for sure. At least that's what I've experienced. I don't purposefully buy lapped rings, if they come to me lapped, fine. I won't lap them either. YMMV.

Not just that. Alignment of the holes through the rings a goal, so when the rings are tightened they do not bind the scope.
binding the scope is the no 1 thing that what you do not want

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Wouldn’t perfectly aligned rings have maximum contact? And not bind/flex the scope.
Lapping for the win!


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The more I read this thread the more I have to wonder how many scope problems are from the binding & pinching of misaligned rings.

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I don’t know.
But my most accurate rifle has the rings Lapped. It’s also the 2nd cheapest rifle I own.
Wish my buddy wouldn’t have moved away with his tool.

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Originally Posted by Dre
Wouldn’t perfectly aligned rings have maximum contact? And not bind/flex the scope.
Lapping for the win!

Not necessarily.

Max contact is not sufficient to imply alignment.

Alignment is not sufficient to imply max contact.


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Lower ring halves have x amount of surface area. If both front & rear halves are in perfect alignment with one another the maximum amount of surface area offered by both rings is available. There is no more. Less would mean misalignment.

Is not using 100% of the available surface area of both rings ...maximum contact?

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You're assuming the ring surfaces are even. Alignment doesn't mean perfect contact.


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I know a very accomplished long range benchrest shooter that'll weigh and sort primers but doesn't lap rings.



If it makes ya feel good, have at it. If you buy a decent set of rings, it's probably not going to help anything.

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Dang it mathman, a thorough & proper lapping job's purpose is to make those surfaces even. No assumption after a well executed job.

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That's not precisely what you said before.😁


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Originally Posted by Mauser06
I know a very accomplished long range benchrest shooter that'll weigh and sort primers but doesn't lap rings.



If it makes ya feel good, have at it. If you buy a decent set of rings, it's probably not going to help anything.

If he's a serious long range benchrest shooter it's very likely he's using a precisely machined custom action and similarly well made bases and rings. Can you see how this would lead to good alignment from the start?

A really good set of rings won't straighten out the dimensional problems with an off the rack factory action.


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