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I am making a few "Montana" slings.
I am curious if anyone knows how to fashion a knot to hold the lower swivel without any hardware.
In a besides, I will have a couple or few, nylon slings to trade for some 1.25 swivels.
I could cut them open and use those swivels, but I sewed the swivels in them. I hate to undo the effort.
They are mostly repurposed carry straps, they work very well.
I like leather with wood. Nylon goes with synthetic. I currently have one synthetic in use. One aside for future use.

Still can't post a picture.

Worst sling ever. When the leather softens the knot slips and rifle around your ankles.

If it ain’t happened to you it because you really aren’t an outdoorsman.

If that pictured is the knot in question, it will never slip.

I have used it to attach bridle reigns very successfully.

It is simply slices in the leather with the tag end fed through. Absolutely can not slip. Could possibly tear out from very cheap or improperly cared for leather. But can not slip.

There is another similar fastening with paralell slices at the end of the strap which yields kind of a windsor knot effect. I have also used that on bridle reigns. If I knew the nomenclature, it would make them easier for you to look up.

To my knowledge, there isn't a way of manipulating a photo you have stored in google to work with the campfire. So your first link is out.

Your second link brings you to a thread where your picture is attached to. If you 'right click' on it and copy the image address, you can paste it into a message body.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/medium/215635.jpg

Notice it is ending with .jpg? A picture linke MUST end in .jpg (or a couple of other image file types, but .jpg is 99.9% of them)

now put [img] at the beginning of that link and [/img] at the end of that link and it will embed the picture in your post. This is what Tide Change did in the above post. If you 'quote' him, you can see exactly what I'm talking about.

Okay, I found the "Montana Sling" in question.

You could not run fast enough to give me one, and I am pretty slow.

That "sliding knot" on the factory sling is the second knot I mentioned above. It works very well to secure the end of a leather strap to a D ring, or bridle. But to expect to hold in a friction vs slip arrangement as shown on the "Montana Sling" website is fantasy of the highest order.

To make that knot in a 1 1/4" strap start one inch from end of strap. Cut two parralel slices 1 1/2" long (maybe 2-2.5 inches. It's been forty years since I made one. Cut short, easy to extend cuts, hard to make them shorter) with sharp razor knife, in such a manner as to leave 3 equivalent widths of leather remaining. (7/16 th" apart). Note: cut away from end of strap. Leave 1 inch end intact.

Pull tag end of strap through D ring. Grasp near piece of sliced leather. Turn and twist to form loop. Feed tag end through loop. Repeat with center strip, and then off side. Pull tag end fully through to cinch up tight to D ring.

Your original picture is done similarly, except the cuts are in tandem rather than parralell.

Buy a few feet of cheap mule tape or such and experiment. You will have it mastered in a few minutes.

So you're saying scenarshooter and all the people who have successfully used them really didn't?

I like the Montana sling but the knot does slip once the leather softens up a bit. I put rosin on mine for a while but, in the end, I gave up, cut the knot off, punched three holes in the tail end and sling, and laced it together. It works fine. It is a quality product and nicely made but the knot does slip. GD

Yes I do know how and do make them myself. And the knot does not slip no matter how soft the leather gets. Not to toot my own horn but I use a higher grade of leather and embellish them better than the original Montana sling.

Just re read the OP, the bottom swivel can be attached via the slit braid without hardware. Are you asking if anyone knows how to do that particular braid, the one pictured?

If it doesn’t slip and end up dragging around your ass or ankles, you ain’t an outdoorsman….period !

I’ve tried them three times and the dissatisfaction cannot be measured. The Sinclair type sling is a POS !

Not pretty but the most dependable

https://www.butlercreek.com/slings/mountain-sling-with-swivels/BC-26923.html

Yes. How to.

I am saying with good authority that the sliding knot on the montana sling will slip if not pulled fully through. And pulled through is not the way it is being used.

I made a couple sets of reigns with a gauge knife from a side of beef hide and used that same knot to attach them to the bridle bit. As stated, it works great when pulled all the way through and anchored. But it does easily slip. Don't even think about using it in wet weather in that manner.

Okay, as to the original post.

Examine the photo closely.

You will see two slits cut into the leather as I mentioned earlier. One closer to the end than the other. Note that the first slit is cut about an inch from the tail of the strap. The slit is about an inch long.
a second slit is cut about an inch and a half above the first.

After you have cut slits in leather, pull the tail through the D ring. Then pull the tail through the upper slit. Lastly pull the tag end of the strap through the first slit close to the tail. Pull up tight.

This is another very useful manner to attach a D ring to a strap. No stitching required. All you need is a hole punch purchased at any farm supply store and the leather string.

There are three holes punched through both layers of the strap. The loop end of a doubled leather string is pulled through the single hole. The tails are each pulled through one of the twin holes, then doubled up and pulled through the loop end as seen.

This is the most common method of attaching billets or latigo straps to millions of saddles and served well for billions of miles of riding.

If a guy does not trust just one tie, a second can be placed closer to the D ring where the stitching is. But it would never be needed if using quality lace material.