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Very good points JS. Insults are never OK in my opinion. I've seen some posts that were down right childish. Respect is a fragile thing.

For me, I respect everyones choice when it comes to the vaccination, and expect the same in return. Those that believe people who dont get vaccinated are a danger to the rest of the population, simply havent been paying attention. I read this some weeks ago, and it had a big influence on my decision.

“The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine has not been approved or licensed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), but has been authorized for emergency use by FDA under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to prevent Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) for use in individuals 16 years of age and older. The emergency use of this product is only authorized for the duration of the declaration that circumstances exist justifying the authorization of emergency use of the medical product under Section 564(b)(1) of the FD&C Act unless the declaration is terminated or authorization revoked sooner.”

A former Chief Science Officer and Vice President for Pfizer, Dr. Mike Yeadon, agrees that the general administration of the experimental vaccines goes far beyond the scope of the Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), and may indeed be a violation of the Nuremburg Code.

Former Chief Science Officer and Vice President for Pfizer, Dr. Mike Yeadon, says DO NOT take the vaccine

you should do stand up. No wonder Canada is experiencing so many problems with your types ( like the incompetent mediocre art teacher, low IQ govt bureaucrats ) running the Covid response from the eastern provinces. Maybe take some of that energy devoted to shutting oil down and gear it towards a science based covid response.

Interesting if the people in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Yukon , BC, who are used to solving every day complex problems working in the oil fields, farms, mining, timber, were allowed to direct their own covid response without meddling from incompetent petty govt bureaucrats.

Are the govt officials in the eastern provinces running the vaccine programs still going on vacations out of country and violating Canada's travel bans?

Bingo.

Absolutely

Also take your own advice

Jordan , you said it perfectly

Big Red Fella,

I agree with everything you reference here, except ............................

It's not Steve's fault ..................................

Also, pointing out our "lacking" Government & their entitlement, while failing to cite the same, your side off the "river", is not fair.

Have a beaut weekend Mr !

Hoping for ice out here & getting the boat in the water, before Walleye season closes, for spawning on the 15th.

Something else for some of you. You have to follow the link.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2176844

Video didn’t show.

But I have to ask you - you’re trusting the media? After they serial lies they continue to get caught in?

Link changed. Hopefully, it will work now.

I trust the media for the most part. It depends on the subject. In the case of the video, an infectious disease specialist expressed his views on lockdowns and COVID.

Admittedly, I stole this from someone at another site but since you're posting links and trusting the media about Covid, you probably won't believe this.

the Guardian – 17 Dec 20

NHS hospitals running out of beds as Covid cases continue to surge
Hospitals in England had to divert patients 44 times last week – the highest number for four years

Article a few weeks ago about how the hospitals were overwhelmed because of COVID. Written by reporter Denis Campbell.

Articles from 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 about how hospitals are overwhelmed (of note is the fun fact that 6 of the 8 scare articles about how hospitals are overwhelmed are by the same Denis Campbell).



Also let’s not forget we’ve seen coverage from Ontario in the past about hospitals in the GTA supposedly being completely overwhelmed. Here’s one from 2019 and it says it’s a year-over-year problem.

People lining the hallways! Stacked up like cordwood! Oh My The Humanity!!!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...ke-general-hallway-health-care-1.5339511

2 major GTA hospitals ran at more than 100% capacity in first half of 2019 |…
Brampton Civic Hospital and Etobicoke General Hospital operated at more than 100 per cent capacity throughout the first half the year, data obtained by the province’s Official Opposition reveals.

“… many hospitals across the province of Ontario are operating at more than 100 per cent capacity. But this has been happening for a number of years, ” [Health Minister Christine] Elliott said in response to [NDP Leader Andrea] Horwath’s questioning.
In April [2019], for example, both hospitals had an occupancy rate of 106 per cent for medical and surgical beds, while their emergency departments ran at 104 per cent and 106 per cent , respectively.
And here are some similar scaremongerings from AB and around Canada. 100%, more than 100%, 140%, etc. Same numbers, different year.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calg...tretched-covid-case-rates-drop-1.5884226

Intensive care units routinely double bunking, transferring COVID-19 patients…
Calgary’s intensive care units remain under intense pressure as overall COVID-19 case counts, transmission rates and hospitalization numbers drop.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/healt...-by-flu-and-norovirus-patients-1.1108376

Hospitals overwhelmed by flu and norovirus patients
As both the flu and the stomach infection nororvirus sweep across Canada, hospitals all over the country say they are being pushed to the limit.

In Edmonton and Calgary, the spike of influenza, influenza-like illness and gastrointestinal infections have put hospitals over maximum capacity. Many Edmonton hospitals are operating at more than 100 per cent… Calgary, occupancy is above 100 per cent in major hospitals and over 100 per cent on certain medical units.

Why wouldn't I believe this?

I don't know about Britain's hospitals, but the first picture is about overcrowding with the UK's National Health Service.

The rest are about problems with hospitals and overcrowding in Canada. Not all the reports are current. Regardless, it makes sense, given that sickness, accidents and other medical problems occur that are not COVID related, but still put people in hospitals.

On the news this morning it was being reported that some limits are to be applied on the number of elective surgeries to be done. Apparently this is tied to
the limited number of recovery beds available.

Jim

The point is, we’re being told that Covid has put ICU’s at capacity and the sky is falling.

We’ve been hearing every year for many years that ICU’s are at capacity and the sky is falling. Which means, it’s business as usual, Covid or no.

I can attest to hospitals being at or near capacity. A year ago January, my wife had to go in for throat surgery. She was booked into the hospital in Owen Sound, which is over 100 km away from where we live. I stayed at a hotel while she was there and every afternoon they made an announcement over the PA that the hospital was at capacity. This was before COVID struck.

It is reasonable to say that Ontario needs to spend money on more and larger hospitals. Unfortunately, money will be tight, given the COVID thing. There will be more private fund raising campaigns, I think.

To all: Interesting statistical article today in American Thinker concerning the more restrictive mask-mandate states vs states leaving it voluntary. I’m taking it at face value only because everything else I’ve read in the last nine months mirrors this rather than contradicts it. I cannot imagine how Canada would be significantly different.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...ctive_how_much_more_data_do_we_need.html

Thanks George,masks are not 100%.

Interesting article. The sad thing is that this information has been out there for months now, but if you mention it you are automatically labeled an anti vaxing nut. Common sense should prevail on the mask issue, but it doesnt. Anyone who has been taught how to wear a mask properly, including how its taken on and off, can walk down any street and see how ridiculous the whole thing is. People are touching their face more because the masks makes their face itch, they are not wearing them properly, they wear the same mask over and over again, and dont realize that moisture from their breath ruins any protection the mask may have, which in reality isnt much.

Yeah, all you have to do is observe people to see how ludicrous it all is. And then there is the evidence.

For instance, the NE (Vermont or New Hampshire) track coach on Tucker last night, fired because he told his kids how ridiculous the school’s rules were. They were expected to run their races masked up. Singles tennis players too.

You couldn’t make it up..and now you don’t have to.

Yes I have pointed out to many that 90%, or more of the mask wearers could wipe their butt with their mask, the way they way they approach it. I’ve been called a lot worse 😁. Of course if they ask why and you explain it you get something like “ well if it didn’t help ‘they’ would not have us do it” ........I fear for our country