first one I sadly no longer own, a 7x57 by Gary Goudy, still the most beautiful stock I've ever seen in person. Another, a .270 my dear friend John stocked years ago and passed it on to me, to be enjoyed in my family for generations to come..
Looks great!! Now I'm drooling... The m8 4x even looks good on there. I'm going to go and shoot my lowly ol 270 fwt. tomorrow to help get my mind off your rifle... . Very nice rifles guys. I'd love to have a nice stock on any of my pre 64's. One of these days, I hope to get a Biesen or similar. I'd probably be scared to take it into the woods though..
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Bob, I sold it to a guy I knew who was quite sick and wanted to leave it to his son...I just couldn't say no to him....while I still made a nice profit he got a great deal.Turned the cash into some tags for my boys and I, like you I'm a hunter first I guess.
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A 1952 270 with Burgess metal work including Douglas barrel and a stock by Milliron made in the early 70s:
And a 1954 257 Roberts Ackley I used to own:
Anybody who seriously concerns themselves with the adequacy of a Big 7mm for anything we hunt here short of brown bear, is a dufus. They are mostly making shidt up. Crunch! Nite-nite!
Very nice Rick! I handled and fired the Milliron rifle when it was owned by a shady character from Idaho.
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I bought this from Cabelas. I have no idea who built it. reasonable build quality but no where near the previous rifles in this thread. It's a 1937 4 digit serial number in 270 WCF.
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My custom 1953 M70 is still in the ingredients stage. It will be ready to hunt by October.
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What are the specs on your new build. what caliber is the original rifle?
Change from 308 to 25-06.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
What are the specs on your new build. what caliber is the original rifle?
Change from 308 to 25-06.
Watch feeding. The rails are part of the receiver in the pre 64 action and unique to the cartridge. The longer cartridge will pop off the rails sooner once you swap out the mag box to 30/06 length.
I had a 308 action that I turned into a 270. It fed like crap. Didn't like it at all.
Uh oh. I have an old M70 I converted from 30-06 to 270 that works. I will compare those lips to the 308 lips.
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Thanks Bob...sold it but here were the specs: James Kobe built Pre-64 action #2 Lilja SS barrel chopped @ 23" Chambered in the Col's 35 NECG Masterpiece front and rear irons Custom Talley bases made by Mr. Kobe Echol's Legend stock with Edge fill Exterior metal coated with Roguard Interior metal treated with NP3
Original Winchester M70 Featherweight .358 Winchester chamber.
Builder: Winchester
Hey dumb don that's not a custom rifle that's a restocked factory gun
We all know you're to poor to have a custom job done
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That's the targets our gun club hands out at "open shoot" events
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
Since it's alright to post plastic stocked Winchesters, I'll post mine now:
1. 1954 H&H receiver 2. Midnight blue cerakote 3. Jewelled bolt body 4. Brown precision pounder stock with red decelerator 5. Holds 4 338 win mag cartridges in the magazine 6. Weight: 7 3/4 pounds all up 7. Gre-Tan stainless barrel
Extremely accurate elk stomper, balances perfectly and handles great.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Since it's alright to post plastic stocked Winchesters, I'll post mine now:
1. 1954 H&H receiver 2. Midnight blue cerakote 3. Jewelled bolt body 4. Brown precision pounder stock with red decelerator 5. Holds 4 338 win mag cartridges in the magazine 6. Weight: 7 3/4 pounds all up 7. Gre-Tan stainless barrel
Extremely accurate elk stomper, balances perfectly and handles great.
What is the contour and shank on that barrel? 22"?
Since it's alright to post plastic stocked Winchesters, I'll post mine now:
1. 1954 H&H receiver 2. Midnight blue cerakote 3. Jewelled bolt body 4. Brown precision pounder stock with red decelerator 5. Holds 4 338 win mag cartridges in the magazine 6. Weight: 7 3/4 pounds all up 7. Gre-Tan stainless barrel
Extremely accurate elk stomper, balances perfectly and handles great.
What is the contour and shank on that barrel? 22"?
It's a 24" #2 with a 1.25" "exposed" shank. That's one thing about the pounder, it has a long forend as compared to the Mcmillan compact, so it makes the barrel look shorter than it really is. That's why I say if it has a 22" and shorter barrel, the compact looks more fitting. However, the pounder has a higher comb that many like, especially on heavy kickers. The recoil on this 338 is surprisingly tame because this stock really mitigates recoil well. Unlike some of the McMillan edge stocks I've tried on rifles 30-06 and bigger, which perform better with the standard fill stocks IMHO..
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Thanks Bob...sold it but here were the specs: James Kobe built Pre-64 action #2 Lilja SS barrel chopped @ 23" Chambered in the Col's 35 NECG Masterpiece front and rear irons Custom Talley bases made by Mr. Kobe Echol's Legend stock with Edge fill Exterior metal coated with Roguard Interior metal treated with NP3
Thanks Bob...sold it but here were the specs: James Kobe built Pre-64 action #2 Lilja SS barrel chopped @ 23" Chambered in the Col's 35 NECG Masterpiece front and rear irons Custom Talley bases made by Mr. Kobe Echol's Legend stock with Edge fill Exterior metal coated with Roguard Interior metal treated with NP3
Beautiful rifle. That's my sorta hunting rifle.
Sounds like a damn nice rifle to me as well.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
What are the specs on your new build. what caliber is the original rifle?
Change from 308 to 25-06.
Watch feeding. The rails are part of the receiver in the pre 64 action and unique to the cartridge. The longer cartridge will pop off the rails sooner once you swap out the mag box to 30/06 length.
I had a 308 action that I turned into a 270. It fed like crap. Didn't like it at all.
Maybe yours will be Ok....don't know. Good luck.
I did not know that and was contemplating converting my 308 fwt to a std length cartridge. That project got killed as I made the mistake of shooting the donor!
Pat that 270 conversion "worked"....sort of....but it was freaky watching the cartridge pop off the rails a LOT sooner than in a properly tuned pre 64 M70 set up for the cartridge.
I learned the hard way not to do that. I made that rifle into junk.
Thanks Bob, useful info to know.I still have a build in mind that ends up with a 270 fwt clone on a pre 64 (assuming I don`t run into a decent fwt that is priced reasonably). I will base it on a 270/06 action though to ensure it feeds like a pre 64 should. That 308 fwt put successive 3 shot groups into less than an inch with very minimal load development and me yanking on the trigger so it will be remaining a 308 with a good synthetic in it`s future.
Pre'64 H&H action Shilen SS #4 @ 23.5" Brown Precision Stock Talleys and 6x36 LRD Will probably add some irons and Black-T later this year. Balances and points incredibly well, holds 4 down and shucks shells like a dream Weight: 8lbs scoped
"You know why nobody panic buys 30-06 ammo? ... Because men with 30-06's don't panic"
This is one that I'm rather fond of, but I've not used it on any game as yet, just range sessions. It features a Danny Pedersen cut rifled barrel and some other metalwork. The stock is by Gary Goudy using a 40 year old stick of English walnut. It's a 9.3x62 and shoots very well.
This is one that I'm rather fond of, but I've not used it on any game as yet, just range sessions. It features a Danny Pedersen cut rifled barrel and some other metalwork. The stock is by Gary Goudy using a 40 year old stick of English walnut. It's a 9.3x62 and shoots very well.
That wood is gorgeous. Where did you/he find a 40-year old stick?
It came from the estate of along retired California gunmaker well after he passed. A gunmaker friend of mine in Kentucky had access to them and I made a bid on three blanks and got all three of them. Although this one was the most figured of the three, I had all three used in custom stock jobs. This one and one other turned out very well. The third one really looked great, but had an internal flaw that rendered it unusable.
I check this thread twice a day hoping to see another beautiful walnut or even the great utilitarian synthetic custom pre-64s. Thanks to all for sharing.
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I check this thread twice a day hoping to see another beautiful walnut or even the great utilitarian synthetic custom pre-64s. Thanks to all for sharing.
You want "utilitarian", here you go my friend:
375 H&H, damn near bullet proof:
1957 270 fwt:
These 2, along with my 338, are my most utilitarian rifles I have...
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
I am almost embarrassed to post pic's mine, after seeing all theses fantastic M70's.
But what the heck. Mine is a 57 vintage featherweight in 270 with an english walnut stock I did myself.
Not really custom, or a build just a simple re-stock. But then again a pre-64 fwt doesnt need much improvement.
You shouldn't be embarrassed over that beautiful rifle. I would consider it priceless if I were you. There's a lot to be said of a man that can do what you did Sir.
I ran across a photo of four of my custom pre-64s and thought you guys might like to have a look. I've run this photo on the fire before, but it has been quite some time. Top to bottom, a .270, a Rifle Ranch custom in .375 H&H, a .338 and my .458 Lott. The .270 stock was a bit of a disappointment as the wood looked much better in the blank than it does after being whittled into a stock. Functionally, it is an excellent stick, but the figure showing in the blank largely disappeared in the stocking process.
I ran across a photo of four of my custom pre-64s and thought you guys might like to have a look. I've run this photo on the fire before, but it has been quite some time. Top to bottom, a .270, a Rifle Ranch custom in .375 H&H, a .338 and my .458 Lott. The .270 stock was a bit of a disappointment as the wood looked much better in the blank than it does after being whittled into a stock. Functionally, it is an excellent stick, but the figure showing in the blank largely disappeared in the stocking process.
Timing is everything some wise man once said. I guess that is the case here. A few days back, I posted a photo of four of my pre-64 Model 70 custom jobs. It was a photo that I had posted some time back on the fire. As luck would have it, I received, this morning, a couple photos of my latest and most likely last custom rifle from Gary Goudy (or anyone else). I had a Model 70 action that I believe is one I bought from Alan Day before he left us way too early. I gave it to Danny Pedersen for one of his superb cut-rifled .30 caliber barrels and had him chamber it to .300 Win Mag.
I didn't have a blank in my stash that I wanted to use on the rifle, so it hang on my gunroom wall for a couple years. Then, at a Custom Gunmakers Guild show, I met a new member, Jim Bisio who, in addition to being a fine craftsman, had a wood cutting business. He pulled a blank from under his table that literally knocked my socks off. Although it was priced well above my meager budget at $1500, but I simply had to have it.
Gary Goudy's stock artistry on that blank is pictured here. It still needs another couple costs of finish, and then Gary's Fleur de Lis pattern checkering jobs, and the stock will be finished. I presume the metal is out for rust bluing. At any rate, I'll post photos of the finished rifle when I get it back home.
I am almost embarrassed to post pic's mine, after seeing all theses fantastic M70's.
But what the heck. Mine is a 57 vintage featherweight in 270 with an english walnut stock I did myself.
Not really custom, or a build just a simple re-stock. But then again a pre-64 fwt doesnt need much improvement.
You shouldn't be embarrassed over that beautiful rifle. I would consider it priceless if I were you. There's a lot to be said of a man that can do what you did Sir.
Ditto that's a nice rifle and very nice workmanship.
Here is a 7x57 that was built by Clayton Nelson on a pre-64 model 70 action, with an octagon barrel with integral quarter rib, sling point, and front sight base.
Here is a 7x57 that was built by Clayton Nelson on a pre-64 model 70 action, with an octagon barrel with integral quarter rib, sling point, and front sight base.
Beautiful rifle Sir. I passed on a Clayton Nelson M70 several years ago at a good price and have been kicking myself ever since. That's an awesome rifle you have.
Here is a 7x57 that was built by Clayton Nelson on a pre-64 model 70 action, with an octagon barrel with integral quarter rib, sling point, and front sight base.
Since it's alright to post plastic stocked Winchesters, I'll post mine now:
1. 1954 H&H receiver 2. Midnight blue cerakote 3. Jewelled bolt body 4. Brown precision pounder stock with red decelerator 5. Holds 4 338 win mag cartridges in the magazine 6. Weight: 7 3/4 pounds all up 7. Gre-Tan stainless barrel
Extremely accurate elk stomper, balances perfectly and handles great.
I've always liked this 338. This is a good time for anyone who doesn't own a 338 to take a good hard look and convince themselves they need one
Since it's alright to post plastic stocked Winchesters, I'll post mine now:
1. 1954 H&H receiver 2. Midnight blue cerakote 3. Jewelled bolt body 4. Brown precision pounder stock with red decelerator 5. Holds 4 338 win mag cartridges in the magazine 6. Weight: 7 3/4 pounds all up 7. Gre-Tan stainless barrel
Extremely accurate elk stomper, balances perfectly and handles great.
I've always liked this 338. This is a good time for anyone who doesn't own a 338 to take a good hard look and convince themselves they need one
Since it's alright to post plastic stocked Winchesters, I'll post mine now:
1. 1954 H&H receiver 2. Midnight blue cerakote 3. Jewelled bolt body 4. Brown precision pounder stock with red decelerator 5. Holds 4 338 win mag cartridges in the magazine 6. Weight: 7 3/4 pounds all up 7. Gre-Tan stainless barrel
Extremely accurate elk stomper, balances perfectly and handles great.
I've always liked this 338. This is a good time for anyone who doesn't own a 338 to take a good hard look and convince themselves they need one
I'm still waiting to buy that one!
Thanks guys. But I'm not ready to let this one go yet!!!
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
I got this custom stocked pre-64 M70 recently and am enjoying shooting it. It's a 300 Win mag with a 22" barrel and is scoped with a 3-9 Conquest presently.
The bullet being used now is the 155 gr Berger VLD. The rifle would be used on deer in the open shot from a stand.
While it has shot small groups my present want from a stand rifle is that it will put it's first shot right on, at range, from a cold barrel.
Here it is on the bench. I will expand on this post later.
Uh oh. I have an old M70 I converted from 30-06 to 270 that works. I will compare those lips to the 308 lips.
Yup. 30/06 to 270 will work. I was not happy with 308 to the 30/06 length.
Left to right: 1953 M70 30-06 1953 M70 308 1956 M70 30-06
The 30-06 and 308 feed lips are the same in 1953. There is a small change in 1956. Some other things do change from 308 to 30-06; the ejector, magazine, magazine follower, magazine spring, and the thing attached to the extractor collar.
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Uh oh. I have an old M70 I converted from 30-06 to 270 that works. I will compare those lips to the 308 lips.
Yup. 30/06 to 270 will work. I was not happy with 308 to the 30/06 length.
Left to right: 1953 M70 30-06 1953 M70 308 1956 M70 30-06
The 30-06 and 308 feed lips are the same in 1953. There is a small change in 1956. Some other things do change from 308 to 30-06; the ejector, magazine, magazine follower, magazine spring, and the thing attached to the extractor collar.
Interesting....I spoke with an experienced smith yesterday about why my 308 to 270 conversion did not work very well. He basically said it's the taper,and "bumps"in the receiver feed rails not being synch'd to the longer 270 cartridge.....something like that.
He had a lot of interesting things to say about feed/function in a Mauser system. Bottom line is I think I will put these conversions in the hands of people who aren't guessing.
You can't always tell what will work by looking at things.
I am curious as to how the tops of the .308 vs. 30-06 followers compare.
I dunno....take a look at Rule's book.
Notice the boxes though....the 308 is tapered toward the front more than the 30/06 box. Reason for that? ......
One thing that smith told me yesterday is that when you change one thing in a CRF system you need to change something else......the "system" is made to interact correctly.
And....there ARE differences between pre 64 boxes and post 64. The pre 64 boxes were tailored more specifically to the individual cartridges.
There were also challenges with the Classics with certain ammo and cartridges as far as function was concerned.
It was an interesting conversation and would make a great article.
Not very good pics,but here is the nicest one I own.
Put a Leupold 3x on it recently.
Ken, that is a beautiful sob. I have one just like it. It's one of the most accurate 30-06 rifles I've owned. Carries like a dream and fits like a glove. The reason many a good 30-06 has been sent packing..
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
It is accurate with 180 gr NP's and H-4350. What animals that cannot be taken with that load is limited in number.
Thought about re-stocking it in a fine piece of walnut,but,figured leave it alone. A Pre '64 Featherweight .30/06 while many were made there are fewer and fewer everyday.
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It is accurate with 180 gr NP's and H-4350. What animals that cannot be taken with that load is limited in number.
Thought about re-stocking it in a fine piece of walnut,but,figured leave it alone. A Pre '64 Featherweight .30/06 while many were made there are fewer and fewer everyday.
I've had dreams of at least putting mine in a Biesen stock, but it remains in its original aluminum butt plate stock. One of these days, I'll probably end up putting it in a hunters compact like the one on my 270 fwt, but I'm not even sure about that. I kind of like it the way it is... ... You probably know what I mean.. Yours is a fine rifle. If it likes 180gr. Nosler partitions, it will probably like the Winchester powerpoints as well. The beauty in using this semi inexpensive bullet is you can practice more and don't have to touch the setting on the seater die. Try it, you'll be surprised...
This is my jackrabbit load. Works great on deer too...
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
I put the Redfield 4x on a little Interarms Mark X mini-mauser .223. I think it was a better match for the .223 than the Weaver 6x that was on it. The Leupold 3x was on a .375 RUM and I have Zeiss 4x in the gunsafe,so I took the Leupold off the RUM and put it on the .30/06 and put the Zeiss on the RUM.
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I have a whole bunch of 7mm Partitions and BBC's so I think I'll be able to find something this rifle likes. Need to check it for twist, but I'd assume it has to be 10 or better.
I have a whole bunch of 7mm Partitions and BBC's so I think I'll be able to find something this rifle likes. Need to check it for twist, but I'd assume it has to be 10 or better.
Pretty cool..
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
I have to believe my pre-war 270 and post-war 358 Win are somewhere above. Both very nice rifles by unknown builders. The 358 Win worked well in Africa in 2012.
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McMillan never sold the Echols Legend stock directly to consumers. They were only available from Echols. Not certain they are presently available.
“Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away”. Antoine de Saint-Exupery. Originally posted by Brad.
Keith Stegall built 270. The most accurate wood stocked sporter I've owned.....it would pile 3 shots into almost one hole. Unfortunately, in a moment of weakness, I sold it.
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The m8 4x even looks good on there. I'm going to go and shoot my lowly ol 270 fwt. tomorrow to help get my mind off your rifle... 
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