I’ve shot quite a few different heads over the years. NAP thunderheads, muzzy, slick tricks, kuduPoint, ironwills. Longest run was with the slick tricks, when the company was sold I found that quality slipped. Their blades weren’t as sharp and they didn’t spin as true. I shot the ironwills last season, they are a high quality head and have no complaints other than the cost. They are expensive. This drove me to start searching for a new broadhead again. A friend gave me a couple of SEVR mechanicals to try. I have always been anti mechanical broadhead, even though I have almost no experience with them other than hunting turkeys with old rocket tomhawks. The SEVRs flat out shoot great. They have minimal wind drift. The blades lock for practice. I have been able to practice with them for the last couple of months with minimal target damage compared to a fixed blade. They are machined of titanium and spin like a dream. I am going to hunt with them this fall. If things go as planned I will have a report on how they do on Antelope, Elk, and Deer.
I’ve lost count on how many hogs I have killed with them here at the Ranch.
Once had 3 sows lined up at my ground blind by the feeder. Closest one was 10 yards away. All were probably 80 to 100 lbs. Aimed for the lungs on the closest pig. The arrow zipped right through the first 2 pigs, and stuck in the 3rd pig, with the broadhead sticking out about 4” on the far side of the furthest pig.
The first 2 ran about 50 yards and died. The 3rd one flopped over on its side and broke off the back half of my Carbon arrow. She kicked a few times and died. The Muzzy Broadhead was still usable with some minor sharpening.
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I’ve lost count on how many hogs I have killed with them here at the Ranch.
Once had 3 sows lined up at my ground blind by the feeder. Closest one was 10 yards away. All were probably 80 to 100 lbs. Aimed for the lungs on the closest pig. The arrow zipped right through the first 2 pigs, and stuck in the 3rd pig, with the broadhead sticking out about 4” on the far side of the furthest pig.
The first 2 ran about 50 yards and died. The 3rd one flopped over on its side and broke off the back half of my Carbon arrow. She kicked a few times and died. The Muzzy Broadhead was still usable with some minor sharpening.
Thunderhead 125s when I still shot wheels. Since going trad 20+ years ago it's be almost exclusively old Rathaar Snuffers and old Bear Greenies with the bleeder blades.
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Pretty much any problems associated with dogs stems from the fact that they're not a Labrador.
100 grain Exodus head flies like a little bullet at 335 fps from Triax bow, real hide/bone drill bit, really tough penetrator, 160 grain ACE head from Montana Whip long bow flys great at 180 fps.
Fly like darts as fast as I have ever run them. Had one setup with an old hatchet-cammed, split limb Browning doing 308 fps and the Steelforce were laser accurate. Haven't chrono'ed my current hunting setup. But it's 270-ish (?) and have had amazing results.
Where I bow hunt the ground is 100% big ass rocks under the leaves. I seldom find the arrow and the tips are always horseshoe shaped at best. I do buy quality arrows because they fly accurately. I do use Schwackers, Slick Tricks, Thunder Heads etc.
Send it behind the leg and get the grill hot. Don’t take much for deer. For elk I use Muzzy 100gr or Montecs.
For hogs and doe these Allen heads kill 100% every time with a good blood trail.
Where I bow hunt the ground is 100% big ass rocks under the leaves. I seldom find the arrow and the tips are always horseshoe shaped at best. I do buy quality arrows because they fly accurately. I do use Schwackers, Slick Tricks, Thunder Heads etc.
Send it behind the leg and get the grill hot. Don’t take much for deer. For elk I use Muzzy 100gr or Montecs.
For hogs and doe these Allen heads kill 100% every time with a good blood trail.
Ya know........... I've looked at those every time I've walked past them in Walmart for the last 20 years and wondered what they'd fly like.
It sure does start to make expensive venison when you screw a $15 head on a $20 arrow and whoop it through a deer.
It’s hard to argue when they leave an exit hole exactly like a Nosler Partition. Arrow was an Easton 6.5 Carbon. She was about 26-28 yards. Zipped thru her like a lazer. She mule kicked and made a 30 yard dash.
I've got some Montec I've had a while but never hunted yet. Believe I'll go with them, no doubt a CoC head is all around best! I've had good success with NAP Killzones, and I bought 2 packs of the Walmart $10 Allen Heads other day.
I've used 100grn Slicktricks ever since Rocky Mountain discontinued their 75grn Premier. STOS broadheads for the trade stuff. They're discontinued too. Bought the kids a crossbow and did a little research. Went with SEVR mechanical broadheads. Retailers don't sell them because they can only be purchased from the manufacturer. They haven't shot anything with one yet, so I'm not pimping them, but I think they're worth looking into.
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I started out with 3 blade wasp's many years ago. went to monotec for a while, then muzzys. Tried NAP thunderheads and slick tricks. They all work good if you do your part and put them in the right spot. WT Deer are not hard to kill. But The 3 blade mechanical Grim reaper has produced the best blood trails I have seen. Been using them for the last 6 or 7 years.
Shot Muzzy 4 Blade 90gr heads for years. Last couple seasons I have changed to Wack'em 100gr. Love the way the Wack'ems fly. 2 elk and 1 antelope with them so far, no issues and plan to keep using them.
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I've been using Thunderhead 100's for about 35yrs and have never had any reason to change. I have such an inventory built up now I'd be crazy to use anything else.
Shot a few Razorbaks back in the day they were also good heads.i actually found several in a shoe box recently, really brings back memories.
Trying out the Sevr Titanium 1.5 on my sheep hunt in August. Hope I get to try one out anyway. Will also use on a KS whitetail if given a chance. Flying very good for me.
All I've used is mechanicals. Started with Rocket steelhead 125's back in the 90's and had no problems killing deer. Always a pass through and quick kills. Last season took two with NAP 3 blade shockwaves. They were the cheapest heads on the shelf and seemed to work just as well as the old Rockets. First deer I shot only went 25 yards pouring blood in buckets from a heart shot. The second went about 75 after a quartering double lung.
Since I adopted the x-bow I’ve used the Muzzy Trocar and it’s amazing. Four. mature Whitetail Bucks in 5 years and a Doe at 70 lasered yards last November. All pass through and dead in 60 yards.
Started w Wasp 3 blade 125gr back in '84. Ran NAP and Magnus of various over next 30 years. Been Magnus and G5 the last few. Now trying RMS Cutthroats ( and G5 Strikers )
QAD Exodus. Really like how well it flies. Very durable and has been deadly
My son and I both shoot the QAD Exodus and love the things. They are easy to tune for, fly like a bullet, penetrate and kill extremely well. We have about three dozen kills and have no complaints with the Exodus.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
I've got some Montec I've had a while but never hunted yet. Believe I'll go with them, no doubt a CoC head is all around best!
Just anecdotal advice.......... But I had a Montec fail to penetrate on a (hard) quartering away shot on a GOOD whitetail at about 15 yards one time. Placed the shot about one rib from the back. Shoulda exited the far armpit. Instead........the arrow ran under the hide but outside the ribcage and the head lodged in the near armpit. It's a shot I've made several times with various other heads............Steelforce.........the old Razorbak 5........... Rocky Mt............
I've got some Montec I've had a while but never hunted yet. Believe I'll go with them, no doubt a CoC head is all around best!
Just anecdotal advice.......... But I had a Montec fail to penetrate on a (hard) quartering away shot on a GOOD whitetail at about 15 yards one time. Placed the shot about one rib from the back. Shoulda exited the far armpit. Instead........the arrow ran under the hide but outside the ribcage and the head lodged in the near armpit. It's a shot I've made several times with various other heads............Steelforce.........the old Razorbak 5........... Rocky Mt............
I quit shooting the Montecs right then and there.
Funny you should say that. One of the ranches I elk hunt on has a mantle over one of their fireplaces that is dedicated to displaying failed broadheads found in elk that are skinned and quartered @ hq…usually during rifle hunts. Last time I checked them out there were 30-40 displayed….just an estimate, as I didn’t count. Going down the line I was mentally registering the brand names. “Montec, Montec, Rocky Mtn, Montec, Montec, Montec, Rage, Montec….geez, what’s going on? Montec, Rage, Muzzy Wasp, Wasp, Montec, Montec…”
Did not see any Slick Tricks nor did I see any Exodus. Hardly scientific analysis I know, but seeing all the caved in Montec’s peaked my interest. Caved in like they had struck a cast iron anvil.
You only live once, but...if you do it right, once is enough.
I’ve had two Montecs snap off in the shaft, from “stump” shooting over the years - when I got back into bow hunting.
Granted - it’s not what they were designed to do, but I generally picked a rotten log or soft stump, and could get the arrow out without much effort.
I personally couldn’t get them to fly right again if I “dinged” the blade edge practicing. Between that and not really liking the effort to keep an edge on one - I dropped them for Rage in the East, and Slick Tricks in the West.
Hunting partner has killed two elk with Montecs - so they work, but IMWV.
But - confessions of a gear junkie - I’m trying the Sevrs this year as well.
QAD Exodus. Really like how well it flies. Very durable and has been deadly
My son and I both shoot the QAD Exodus and love the things. They are easy to tune for, fly like a bullet, penetrate and kill extremely well. We have about three dozen kills and have no complaints with the Exodus.
Old bow Bud of mine that keeps a hard eye on all things archery told me about them more than 4 years ago, pointed me to a utube video of QAD owner shooting through a lot of heavy game in Africa, plenty good enough for me, it's a damn tough, straight flying, deep penetrating head.
There were a lot of Montec made in china knockoffs sold a few years back, They crumpled almost instantly on game. The original packaging and the knockoff packaging was hard to differentiate.
I know of only one guy that shoots them exclusively out of a Ravin R20 and has not had an issue , and he kills more deer and hogs in one year then most hunters do in a few.
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But - confessions of a gear junkie - I’m trying the Sevrs this year as well.
Sevr's fly great out of my Xbow , now if I only could get a deer to run into them. 125 grain 2.0
QAD Exodus. Really like how well it flies. Very durable and has been deadly
My son and I both shoot the QAD Exodus and love the things. They are easy to tune for, fly like a bullet, penetrate and kill extremely well. We have about three dozen kills and have no complaints with the Exodus.
Old bow Bud of mine that keeps a hard eye on all things archery told me about them more than 4 years ago, pointed me to a utube video of QAD owner shooting through a lot of heavy game in Africa, plenty good enough for me, it's a damn tough, straight flying, deep penetrating head.
One other thing I have noticed about the Exodus is that they are quiet in flight. Some broadheads make a lot of noise going downrange. Not the Exodus. I have stood behind my house where I am completely protected yet can hear a broadhead as my son shot past the house to a target down range. The way my yard lays out he can be shooting at 30, 40, 50 yards to a target and I can stand protected behind the corner of the house 20 yards from the target. In that way I can listen for the arrow coming from 10-30 yards away. It's shocking how loud some broadheads are.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
Wenzle Woodsman or Ace Standard in modern heads but I shoot a bunch of older heads also. I shot Rocky Mountains for years then switched to the one piece heads. I shoot an old Martin recurved limbed compound and an assortment of long bows. Still have my all wood round wheel Browning bows but I no longer hunt them.
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Muzzy Trocar 100gr has been my go to, but they always seem to get bent when i shoot something. Switched this year to the G5 Stricker v2 so i can replace the blades a little easier if they get bent.
I've got some Montec I've had a while but never hunted yet. Believe I'll go with them, no doubt a CoC head is all around best!
Just anecdotal advice.......... But I had a Montec fail to penetrate on a (hard) quartering away shot on a GOOD whitetail at about 15 yards one time. Placed the shot about one rib from the back. Shoulda exited the far armpit. Instead........the arrow ran under the hide but outside the ribcage and the head lodged in the near armpit. It's a shot I've made several times with various other heads............Steelforce.........the old Razorbak 5........... Rocky Mt............
I quit shooting the Montecs right then and there.
Funny you should say that. One of the ranches I elk hunt on has a mantle over one of their fireplaces that is dedicated to displaying failed broadheads found in elk that are skinned and quartered @ hq…usually during rifle hunts. Last time I checked them out there were 30-40 displayed….just an estimate, as I didn’t count. Going down the line I was mentally registering the brand names. “Montec, Montec, Rocky Mtn, Montec, Montec, Montec, Rage, Montec….geez, what’s going on? Montec, Rage, Muzzy Wasp, Wasp, Montec, Montec…”
Did not see any Slick Tricks nor did I see any Exodus. Hardly scientific analysis I know, but seeing all the caved in Montec’s peaked my interest. Caved in like they had struck a cast iron anvil.
I, obviously, never recovered the head. So I can't guarantee it didn't cave or crumple. But, I am certain they were USA-made heads.
I ran the first one I shot behind the shoulder of a nearly broadside 8-pointer. Worked just as expected. But, even before the failure on the next buck.......... I looked at the way the blades on the Montec form the point and something just didn't sit right with me. Like there was some quality there that wouldn't work well on a hard quartering shot. Lo and behold...............
I've got some Montec I've had a while but never hunted yet. Believe I'll go with them, no doubt a CoC head is all around best!
Just anecdotal advice.......... But I had a Montec fail to penetrate on a (hard) quartering away shot on a GOOD whitetail at about 15 yards one time. Placed the shot about one rib from the back. Shoulda exited the far armpit. Instead........the arrow ran under the hide but outside the ribcage and the head lodged in the near armpit. It's a shot I've made several times with various other heads............Steelforce.........the old Razorbak 5........... Rocky Mt............
I quit shooting the Montecs right then and there.
Funny you should say that. One of the ranches I elk hunt on has a mantle over one of their fireplaces that is dedicated to displaying failed broadheads found in elk that are skinned and quartered @ hq…usually during rifle hunts. Last time I checked them out there were 30-40 displayed….just an estimate, as I didn’t count. Going down the line I was mentally registering the brand names. “Montec, Montec, Rocky Mtn, Montec, Montec, Montec, Rage, Montec….geez, what’s going on? Montec, Rage, Muzzy Wasp, Wasp, Montec, Montec…”
Did not see any Slick Tricks nor did I see any Exodus. Hardly scientific analysis I know, but seeing all the caved in Montec’s peaked my interest. Caved in like they had struck a cast iron anvil.
I, obviously, never recovered the head. So I can't guarantee it didn't cave or crumple. But, I am certain they were USA-made heads.
I ran the first one I shot behind the shoulder of a nearly broadside 8-pointer. Worked just as expected. But, even before the failure on the next buck.......... I looked at the way the blades on the Montec form the point and something just didn't sit right with me. Like there was some quality there that wouldn't work well on a hard quartering shot. Lo and behold...............
Unless you’re a sponsored pro, I don’t know but two,three guys that shoot a Montec anymore.
You only live once, but...if you do it right, once is enough.
I've got some Montec I've had a while but never hunted yet. Believe I'll go with them, no doubt a CoC head is all around best!
Just anecdotal advice.......... But I had a Montec fail to penetrate on a (hard) quartering away shot on a GOOD whitetail at about 15 yards one time. Placed the shot about one rib from the back. Shoulda exited the far armpit. Instead........the arrow ran under the hide but outside the ribcage and the head lodged in the near armpit. It's a shot I've made several times with various other heads............Steelforce.........the old Razorbak 5........... Rocky Mt............
I quit shooting the Montecs right then and there.
Funny you should say that. One of the ranches I elk hunt on has a mantle over one of their fireplaces that is dedicated to displaying failed broadheads found in elk that are skinned and quartered @ hq…usually during rifle hunts. Last time I checked them out there were 30-40 displayed….just an estimate, as I didn’t count. Going down the line I was mentally registering the brand names. “Montec, Montec, Rocky Mtn, Montec, Montec, Montec, Rage, Montec….geez, what’s going on? Montec, Rage, Muzzy Wasp, Wasp, Montec, Montec…”
Did not see any Slick Tricks nor did I see any Exodus. Hardly scientific analysis I know, but seeing all the caved in Montec’s peaked my interest. Caved in like they had struck a cast iron anvil.
I, obviously, never recovered the head. So I can't guarantee it didn't cave or crumple. But, I am certain they were USA-made heads.
I ran the first one I shot behind the shoulder of a nearly broadside 8-pointer. Worked just as expected. But, even before the failure on the next buck.......... I looked at the way the blades on the Montec form the point and something just didn't sit right with me. Like there was some quality there that wouldn't work well on a hard quartering shot. Lo and behold...............
Unless you’re a sponsored pro, I don’t know but two,three guys that shoot a Montec anymore.
When they hit the market I loved the idea. And they flew like freakin' field points !!! But there's just something about the design geometry that started to bug me before I had my failure............
I've got some Montec I've had a while but never hunted yet. Believe I'll go with them, no doubt a CoC head is all around best!
Just anecdotal advice.......... But I had a Montec fail to penetrate on a (hard) quartering away shot on a GOOD whitetail at about 15 yards one time. Placed the shot about one rib from the back. Shoulda exited the far armpit. Instead........the arrow ran under the hide but outside the ribcage and the head lodged in the near armpit. It's a shot I've made several times with various other heads............Steelforce.........the old Razorbak 5........... Rocky Mt............
I quit shooting the Montecs right then and there.
Funny you should say that. One of the ranches I elk hunt on has a mantle over one of their fireplaces that is dedicated to displaying failed broadheads found in elk that are skinned and quartered @ hq…usually during rifle hunts. Last time I checked them out there were 30-40 displayed….just an estimate, as I didn’t count. Going down the line I was mentally registering the brand names. “Montec, Montec, Rocky Mtn, Montec, Montec, Montec, Rage, Montec….geez, what’s going on? Montec, Rage, Muzzy Wasp, Wasp, Montec, Montec…”
Did not see any Slick Tricks nor did I see any Exodus. Hardly scientific analysis I know, but seeing all the caved in Montec’s peaked my interest. Caved in like they had struck a cast iron anvil.
I, obviously, never recovered the head. So I can't guarantee it didn't cave or crumple. But, I am certain they were USA-made heads.
I ran the first one I shot behind the shoulder of a nearly broadside 8-pointer. Worked just as expected. But, even before the failure on the next buck.......... I looked at the way the blades on the Montec form the point and something just didn't sit right with me. Like there was some quality there that wouldn't work well on a hard quartering shot. Lo and behold...............
Unless you’re a sponsored pro, I don’t know but two,three guys that shoot a Montec anymore.
When they hit the market I loved the idea. And they flew like freakin' field points !!! But there's just something about the design geometry that started to bug me before I had my failure............
Apparently I'm not alone.
IMHO - you’re not.
I agree - with a good tuned bow, they followed the field point POI very well.
But, if the blade sharpening changed any of the surfaces, a Montec would start to wander away from the rest of the group. I started numbering arrows to make sure it wasn’t me.
I dinged a number of blades in practice, and that usually meant the head was done, as taking the blade back an edge usually affected the flight as well.
QAD Exodus. Really like how well it flies. Very durable and has been deadly
My son and I both shoot the QAD Exodus and love the things. They are easy to tune for, fly like a bullet, penetrate and kill extremely well. We have about three dozen kills and have no complaints with the Exodus.
Old bow Bud of mine that keeps a hard eye on all things archery told me about them more than 4 years ago, pointed me to a utube video of QAD owner shooting through a lot of heavy game in Africa, plenty good enough for me, it's a damn tough, straight flying, deep penetrating head.
One other thing I have noticed about the Exodus is that they are quiet in flight. Some broadheads make a lot of noise going downrange. Not the Exodus. I have stood behind my house where I am completely protected yet can hear a broadhead as my son shot past the house to a target down range. The way my yard lays out he can be shooting at 30, 40, 50 yards to a target and I can stand protected behind the corner of the house 20 yards from the target. In that way I can listen for the arrow coming from 10-30 yards away. It's shocking how loud some broadheads are.
It's a damn small world, i put Wife at the corner of the house behind the bricks, had her looking at my broadhead target, told her when she heard me fire would she have time to move, said she didnt hear anything but the arrow striking the target, and this was 40 yards away, good stuff man.
I've used dozens of different brands over the past many decades. I switched to Slick Tricks about 15 (?) years ago and found them so much easier to tune than others that I never tried anything else. I open to trying others; but, testing multiple different brands has become so expensive I just haven't found the need or desire to try others. That is why threads like this can be so helpful.
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I’ve used many different broad heads over the last 28 years:
Bear Razorhead Zwicky Eskimo and Delta both 2 and 4 blade Wensel Woodsman/Woodsman Elite Wensel Razorcap (No longer made) 3 blade SS head similar in size to a Rothaar Snuffer Magnus 4 Blade Zephyr Sasquatch Grizzlystik Sliver Flame XL Grizlystik Maasai Single Bevel
All were screwed onto an arrow that weighed more than five hundred grains, mostly propelled by a 55-65# recurve bow. I used the Silver Flame XL out of my 70# Mathews this Spring, resulted in a dead bird after about three steps.
I had one deer I hit square in the shoulder with a Woodsman. Peeled that needle point straight back got about 6” penetration. Killed the buck but left very little blood. Shot in the evening…We found him a day later but someone else did first and cut his horns off. The last one I shot with a Woodsman thru the. “12 ring” stuck in the ground after going thru and he dropped in sight leaving a blood trail a blind man could follow.
"...I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?" Then I said, "Here am I. Send me." Isaiah 6:8
For years I used Zwickey Deltas (later Eskimo) with aluminum-swaged arrows.
still my all time favorite broadhead Zwickeys ! matter fact a purchased a slower x-bow so i could still use Zwickey Broadheads , my last deer i shot with a bow when i still could draw the bow 4 years ago i shot a huge old 8 pt. shot a Zickey Eskimo broadhead in DECEMBER 10 below that day and had just talked to the owner of Zwickey broadheads the same week and now he is gone . but i did learn some history of the Zwickey factory like Fred Bear did at one time also shot Zwickey broadheads before he made his own brand Bear broadhead.
QAD Exodus. Really like how well it flies. Very durable and has been deadly
My son and I both shoot the QAD Exodus and love the things. They are easy to tune for, fly like a bullet, penetrate and kill extremely well. We have about three dozen kills and have no complaints with the Exodus.
Old bow Bud of mine that keeps a hard eye on all things archery told me about them more than 4 years ago, pointed me to a utube video of QAD owner shooting through a lot of heavy game in Africa, plenty good enough for me, it's a damn tough, straight flying, deep penetrating head.
One other thing I have noticed about the Exodus is that they are quiet in flight. Some broadheads make a lot of noise going downrange. Not the Exodus. I have stood behind my house where I am completely protected yet can hear a broadhead as my son shot past the house to a target down range. The way my yard lays out he can be shooting at 30, 40, 50 yards to a target and I can stand protected behind the corner of the house 20 yards from the target. In that way I can listen for the arrow coming from 10-30 yards away. It's shocking how loud some broadheads are.
It's a damn small world, i put Wife at the corner of the house behind the bricks, had her looking at my broadhead target, told her when she heard me fire would she have time to move, said she didnt hear anything but the arrow striking the target, and this was 40 yards away, good stuff man.
We’ve got the same setup at my house out to 70 yards. Our main target is alongside a monster oak tree five yards in front of that target. You can stand , facing the target, shooter to your back, and listen for the arrow. It’s amazing how noisy some broadheads are….easy to hear in time to jump if you needed to. A deer’s senses and reflexes are about eleventy hundred times faster obviously so it’s no wonder how they are able to jump the string.
You only live once, but...if you do it right, once is enough.
QAD Exodus. Really like how well it flies. Very durable and has been deadly
My son and I both shoot the QAD Exodus and love the things. They are easy to tune for, fly like a bullet, penetrate and kill extremely well. We have about three dozen kills and have no complaints with the Exodus.
Old bow Bud of mine that keeps a hard eye on all things archery told me about them more than 4 years ago, pointed me to a utube video of QAD owner shooting through a lot of heavy game in Africa, plenty good enough for me, it's a damn tough, straight flying, deep penetrating head.
One other thing I have noticed about the Exodus is that they are quiet in flight. Some broadheads make a lot of noise going downrange. Not the Exodus. I have stood behind my house where I am completely protected yet can hear a broadhead as my son shot past the house to a target down range. The way my yard lays out he can be shooting at 30, 40, 50 yards to a target and I can stand protected behind the corner of the house 20 yards from the target. In that way I can listen for the arrow coming from 10-30 yards away. It's shocking how loud some broadheads are.
It's a damn small world, i put Wife at the corner of the house behind the bricks, had her looking at my broadhead target, told her when she heard me fire would she have time to move, said she didnt hear anything but the arrow striking the target, and this was 40 yards away, good stuff man.
We’ve got the same setup at my house out to 70 yards. Our main target is alongside a monster oak tree five yards in front of that target. You can stand , facing the target, shooter to your back, and listen for the arrow. It’s amazing how noisy some broadheads are….easy to hear in time to jump if you needed to. A deer’s senses and reflexes are about eleventy hundred times faster obviously so it’s no wonder how they are able to jump the string.
You bet GD57, sounds like a nice setup, i used to shoot the G5 Striker Magnum, hellacious bloody destructive head, but holy damn it was loud, didnt fly really good for me at extended ranges of 50-60 yards.
Don't go cheap on broadheads. From my compound days, I shot Wasp. The latest being Wasp Drones. Steel ferrel. I also had good luck with Excalibur Boltcutters on a crossbow. Now I carry the recurve about 95% of the time so I use Shuffers in carbon steel. I never find a stainless head that sharpens as well as carbon. I shoot a high performance recurve with enough energy that I don't worry about penetration with a 3 blade. For bows with lower performance, hard to beat 2 blade Zwickey
Started with Bear Razorheads....125 Grain out of an old Jennings wheel bow. Moved to Satellite 3 blade 125 grain out of the Bear Alaskan Cam Bow. With the "New bow", I've been shooting 75 Grain Wasp Jak-Hammers. Been shooting the new bow since 1999. It seems to work.
I've got some Montec I've had a while but never hunted yet. Believe I'll go with them, no doubt a CoC head is all around best!
Just anecdotal advice.......... But I had a Montec fail to penetrate on a (hard) quartering away shot on a GOOD whitetail at about 15 yards one time. Placed the shot about one rib from the back. Shoulda exited the far armpit. Instead........the arrow ran under the hide but outside the ribcage and the head lodged in the near armpit. It's a shot I've made several times with various other heads............Steelforce.........the old Razorbak 5........... Rocky Mt............
I quit shooting the Montecs right then and there.
Funny you should say that. One of the ranches I elk hunt on has a mantle over one of their fireplaces that is dedicated to displaying failed broadheads found in elk that are skinned and quartered @ hq…usually during rifle hunts. Last time I checked them out there were 30-40 displayed….just an estimate, as I didn’t count. Going down the line I was mentally registering the brand names. “Montec, Montec, Rocky Mtn, Montec, Montec, Montec, Rage, Montec….geez, what’s going on? Montec, Rage, Muzzy Wasp, Wasp, Montec, Montec…”
Did not see any Slick Tricks nor did I see any Exodus. Hardly scientific analysis I know, but seeing all the caved in Montec’s peaked my interest. Caved in like they had struck a cast iron anvil.
I Find the talk about the Montec broadheads to be interesting. I’ve never killed anything with the G5 or the Striker. I’ve always used Thunderheads. For the last couple of years, I’ve had my arrows set up with the strikers. I actually shot some G5’s in practice the other day and they shoot exactly like my field points, so I’m thinking about using them.
The thing I find interesting is the talk about them failing, breaking or whatever. Years ago, I shot an arrow in my backyard that missed the target and hit the cinder block wall with the Montec G5. I couldn’t get it out of the wall and even tried chipping some of the cinderblock away. Finally just gave up and unscrewed the arrow and left it there. I figure if it can do what it did to the cinder block wall, I shouldn’t have any problem killing an elk.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
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I've got some Montec I've had a while but never hunted yet. Believe I'll go with them, no doubt a CoC head is all around best!
Just anecdotal advice.......... But I had a Montec fail to penetrate on a (hard) quartering away shot on a GOOD whitetail at about 15 yards one time. Placed the shot about one rib from the back. Shoulda exited the far armpit. Instead........the arrow ran under the hide but outside the ribcage and the head lodged in the near armpit. It's a shot I've made several times with various other heads............Steelforce.........the old Razorbak 5........... Rocky Mt............
I quit shooting the Montecs right then and there.
Funny you should say that. One of the ranches I elk hunt on has a mantle over one of their fireplaces that is dedicated to displaying failed broadheads found in elk that are skinned and quartered @ hq…usually during rifle hunts. Last time I checked them out there were 30-40 displayed….just an estimate, as I didn’t count. Going down the line I was mentally registering the brand names. “Montec, Montec, Rocky Mtn, Montec, Montec, Montec, Rage, Montec….geez, what’s going on? Montec, Rage, Muzzy Wasp, Wasp, Montec, Montec…”
Did not see any Slick Tricks nor did I see any Exodus. Hardly scientific analysis I know, but seeing all the caved in Montec’s peaked my interest. Caved in like they had struck a cast iron anvil.
I Find the talk about the Montec broadheads to be interesting. I’ve never killed anything with the G5 or the Striker. I’ve always used Thunderheads. For the last couple of years, I’ve had my arrows set up with the strikers. I actually shot some G5’s in practice the other day and they shoot exactly like my field points, so I’m thinking about using them.
The thing I find interesting is the talk about them failing, breaking or whatever. Years ago, I shot an arrow in my backyard that missed the target and hit the cinder block wall with the Montec G5. I couldn’t get it out of the wall and even tried chipping some of the cinderblock away. Finally just gave up and unscrewed the arrow and left it there. I figure if it can do what it did to the cinder block wall, I shouldn’t have any problem killing an elk.
My particular (and fatal) beef with the Montec was in its failure to penetrate on a hard angle shot. Period.
I killed several deer with the Montec, including a pretty good 8-pointer with ZERO issues. BUT.......those were all textbook broadside or nearly broadside shots. And, I'll totally back the claim that they fly like your field points. They did for me too. But when I watched one fail miserably on a close-range hard quartering shot on a DANG big buck for this area.............that was enough for me. There's a whole bunch of cliches that come to mind here. But #1. is "Fool me once.... shame on you. Fool me twice.....shame on me". And, #2 is "There's lots more fish (broadheads) in the ocean".
Confidence in one's equipment is HUGE in bowhunting. I just got rid of the unknown (untrusted) quantity in my equation.
I've got some Montec I've had a while but never hunted yet. Believe I'll go with them, no doubt a CoC head is all around best!
Just anecdotal advice.......... But I had a Montec fail to penetrate on a (hard) quartering away shot on a GOOD whitetail at about 15 yards one time. Placed the shot about one rib from the back. Shoulda exited the far armpit. Instead........the arrow ran under the hide but outside the ribcage and the head lodged in the near armpit. It's a shot I've made several times with various other heads............Steelforce.........the old Razorbak 5........... Rocky Mt............
I quit shooting the Montecs right then and there.
Funny you should say that. One of the ranches I elk hunt on has a mantle over one of their fireplaces that is dedicated to displaying failed broadheads found in elk that are skinned and quartered @ hq…usually during rifle hunts. Last time I checked them out there were 30-40 displayed….just an estimate, as I didn’t count. Going down the line I was mentally registering the brand names. “Montec, Montec, Rocky Mtn, Montec, Montec, Montec, Rage, Montec….geez, what’s going on? Montec, Rage, Muzzy Wasp, Wasp, Montec, Montec…”
Did not see any Slick Tricks nor did I see any Exodus. Hardly scientific analysis I know, but seeing all the caved in Montec’s peaked my interest. Caved in like they had struck a cast iron anvil.
I Find the talk about the Montec broadheads to be interesting. I’ve never killed anything with the G5 or the Striker. I’ve always used Thunderheads. For the last couple of years, I’ve had my arrows set up with the strikers. I actually shot some G5’s in practice the other day and they shoot exactly like my field points, so I’m thinking about using them.
The thing I find interesting is the talk about them failing, breaking or whatever. Years ago, I shot an arrow in my backyard that missed the target and hit the cinder block wall with the Montec G5. I couldn’t get it out of the wall and even tried chipping some of the cinderblock away. Finally just gave up and unscrewed the arrow and left it there. I figure if it can do what it did to the cinder block wall, I shouldn’t have any problem killing an elk.
My particular (and fatal) beef with the Montec was in its failure to penetrate on a hard angle shot. Period.
I killed several deer with the Montec, including a pretty good 8-pointer with ZERO issues. BUT.......those were all textbook broadside or nearly broadside shots. And, I'll totally back the claim that they fly like your field points. They did for me too. But when I watched one fail miserably on a close-range hard quartering shot on a DANG big buck for this area.............that was enough for me. There's a whole bunch of cliches that come to mind here. But #1. is "Fool me once.... shame on you. Fool me twice.....shame on me". And, #2 is "There's lots more fish (broadheads) in the ocean".
Confidence in one's equipment is HUGE in bowhunting. I just got rid of the unknown (untrusted) quantity in my equation.
How bad was the angle? Enough for the back of a blade to hit a rib before the tip?
Originally Posted by Bristoe
The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
I've got some Montec I've had a while but never hunted yet. Believe I'll go with them, no doubt a CoC head is all around best!
Just anecdotal advice.......... But I had a Montec fail to penetrate on a (hard) quartering away shot on a GOOD whitetail at about 15 yards one time. Placed the shot about one rib from the back. Shoulda exited the far armpit. Instead........the arrow ran under the hide but outside the ribcage and the head lodged in the near armpit. It's a shot I've made several times with various other heads............Steelforce.........the old Razorbak 5........... Rocky Mt............
I quit shooting the Montecs right then and there.
Funny you should say that. One of the ranches I elk hunt on has a mantle over one of their fireplaces that is dedicated to displaying failed broadheads found in elk that are skinned and quartered @ hq…usually during rifle hunts. Last time I checked them out there were 30-40 displayed….just an estimate, as I didn’t count. Going down the line I was mentally registering the brand names. “Montec, Montec, Rocky Mtn, Montec, Montec, Montec, Rage, Montec….geez, what’s going on? Montec, Rage, Muzzy Wasp, Wasp, Montec, Montec…”
Did not see any Slick Tricks nor did I see any Exodus. Hardly scientific analysis I know, but seeing all the caved in Montec’s peaked my interest. Caved in like they had struck a cast iron anvil.
I Find the talk about the Montec broadheads to be interesting. I’ve never killed anything with the G5 or the Striker. I’ve always used Thunderheads. For the last couple of years, I’ve had my arrows set up with the strikers. I actually shot some G5’s in practice the other day and they shoot exactly like my field points, so I’m thinking about using them.
The thing I find interesting is the talk about them failing, breaking or whatever. Years ago, I shot an arrow in my backyard that missed the target and hit the cinder block wall with the Montec G5. I couldn’t get it out of the wall and even tried chipping some of the cinderblock away. Finally just gave up and unscrewed the arrow and left it there. I figure if it can do what it did to the cinder block wall, I shouldn’t have any problem killing an elk.
My particular (and fatal) beef with the Montec was in its failure to penetrate on a hard angle shot. Period.
I killed several deer with the Montec, including a pretty good 8-pointer with ZERO issues. BUT.......those were all textbook broadside or nearly broadside shots. And, I'll totally back the claim that they fly like your field points. They did for me too. But when I watched one fail miserably on a close-range hard quartering shot on a DANG big buck for this area.............that was enough for me. There's a whole bunch of cliches that come to mind here. But #1. is "Fool me once.... shame on you. Fool me twice.....shame on me". And, #2 is "There's lots more fish (broadheads) in the ocean".
Confidence in one's equipment is HUGE in bowhunting. I just got rid of the unknown (untrusted) quantity in my equation.
How bad was the angle? Enough for the back of a blade to hit a rib before the tip?
No. I don't believe BEFORE. But, I do believe TOO SOON. That was always the thing that made me a little queasy about the Montec from the get-go. The fact that all 3 blades gain purchase instantly upon contact. The Montec has more mass to bury SOONER than any other head I can think of. I believe the point did hit first but was steered outward as the rear portion of the blade "rode" the rib ........sliding the head inside the hide but outside the ribcage.
Please note, when I refer to a "hard angle shot", I'm not referring to a shot that should have been iffy (I'll let iffy shot walk and try again tomorrow). At least not with any other head I've ever used. This particular shot SHOULD have been left liver, left lung, heart and out the far armpit. And WOULD (in my estimation) have been with any other head I ever shot.
I shoot iron will solid broadheads. I wanted a fixed blade to not have to worry about potential for mechanical failure. I chose iron will because of their materials. They fly very similar to field points (and they look cool lol)
I use The older style Steel Force Premier,100 gr . The have penetrated well and flew true . I have never had issues getting them to fly right. I have killed deer, including a sika deer hind that weighed maybe 40 lbs ,to a 6x6 bull elk that weigh probably 650-700 with them. Never a Broadhead issue......
I've got some Montec I've had a while but never hunted yet. Believe I'll go with them, no doubt a CoC head is all around best!
Just anecdotal advice.......... But I had a Montec fail to penetrate on a (hard) quartering away shot on a GOOD whitetail at about 15 yards one time. Placed the shot about one rib from the back. Shoulda exited the far armpit. Instead........the arrow ran under the hide but outside the ribcage and the head lodged in the near armpit. It's a shot I've made several times with various other heads............Steelforce.........the old Razorbak 5........... Rocky Mt............
I quit shooting the Montecs right then and there.
Thanks, I just saw this. I'll just stay with my NAP Killzone or Spitfires!
I bought a xbow four years ago. Tried Muzzy 125gr 3-blades because they were ones I’d heard about for years, and I liked the idea of the cutting tip. Six deer later, no complaints. They fly like the field tips, kill well, and are cheap to boot. I’ve only found two bolts out of the six because they sail right on through until they hit the ground.
Couldn’t believe the entrance wound on the first one I killed. Two years ago I made a hasty shot on a buck that clipped the underside of the spine. The blade that made contact was distorted along the edge, but stayed in place and didn’t break, so I have to assume it’s strong enough for deer.
I use The older style Steel Force Premier,100 gr . The have penetrated well and flew true . I have never had issues getting them to fly right. I have killed deer, including a sika deer hind that weighed maybe 40 lbs ,to a 6x6 bull elk that weigh probably 650-700 with them. Never a Broadhead issue......
My experience with the Steelforce 100's, as well. I don't see you OR me ever having a broadhead issue.
I used 100gr 3 blade Muzzys for 25 years. Old reliable and a good broadhead.
When I bought my crossbow about 8 years ago, I switched to Rage 2. They're vicious. I still have some Muzzys kicking around that I'll use if I run out of Rage 2's.
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In my recurve, long bow days always 2 blade Bear and Zwickey. When I shot compound Thunderheads. I'll be hunting with a crossbow this fall and have Excalibur Boltcutters which fly very well. Never a kill, recovery issue with any broadhead kept sharp and put in the heart n lungs.
I shoot iron will solid broadheads. I wanted a fixed blade to not have to worry about potential for mechanical failure. I chose iron will because of their materials. They fly very similar to field points (and they look cool lol)
I’ve been an avid bowhunter for 44 years, and have tried quite a few heads. Slick Trick, Exodous, and Magnus Stingers are some of the best for me. But four years ago, I tried Iron Will. They are expensive, but are scalpel sharp, easy to re sharpen, super durable, and fly very well. They’ve blown through elk, Brown Bear, Aoudad, deer and other animals for me. I’ll be using them again this fall.
I shoot iron will solid broadheads. I wanted a fixed blade to not have to worry about potential for mechanical failure. I chose iron will because of their materials. They fly very similar to field points (and they look cool lol)
I’ve been an avid bowhunter for 44 years, and have tried quite a few heads. Slick Trick, Exodous, and Magnus Stingers are some of the best for me. But four years ago, I tried Iron Will. They are expensive, but are scalpel sharp, easy to re sharpen, super durable, and fly very well. They’ve blown through elk, Brown Bear, Aoudad, deer and other animals for me. I’ll be using them again this fall.
You guys shooting the vented or solid blades? I shot them last year and was impressed with their sharpness. I shot the solid blades and the shot very similar to field points. The more I shot them the more I noticed the wind really affected their point of impact. The wind is usually blowing where I hunt, so I switched to a SEVR mechanical. So far they are crazy accurate and the one antelope I shot this year the results were impressive.
the best expandable broadhead my son and i have used for elk is a expandable that i have a bunch of but are no longer sold Elmer heads they worked very well on elk for us. i am saving them for hopefully some more elk hunts.
The SEVR is an updated Elmer. Sent this one through an Antelope at 35 yards, broke the neck, went through the heart and lodged in the sternum. The Antelope was head down on the bank getting a drink.
Used mainly slick tricks, grim reapers, and one G5 striker in the last 10-15 years. I can say that I after using the slick trick razortrick broad heads (discontinued) for probably 15-20 animals in that time I haven’t had a single one go more than 75 yards. The last 6 haven’t gone more than 30-50 yards each.
QAD Exodus. Really like how well it flies. Very durable and has been deadly
My son and I both shoot the QAD Exodus and love the things. They are easy to tune for, fly like a bullet, penetrate and kill extremely well. We have about three dozen kills and have no complaints with the Exodus.
Old bow Bud of mine that keeps a hard eye on all things archery told me about them more than 4 years ago, pointed me to a utube video of QAD owner shooting through a lot of heavy game in Africa, plenty good enough for me, it's a damn tough, straight flying, deep penetrating head.
One other thing I have noticed about the Exodus is that they are quiet in flight. Some broadheads make a lot of noise going downrange. Not the Exodus. I have stood behind my house where I am completely protected yet can hear a broadhead as my son shot past the house to a target down range. The way my yard lays out he can be shooting at 30, 40, 50 yards to a target and I can stand protected behind the corner of the house 20 yards from the target. In that way I can listen for the arrow coming from 10-30 yards away. It's shocking how loud some broadheads are.
Great information, thx.
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Ten or twelve years ago I was new to archery hunting and looked at this board to figure out what broad head to use on my Easton 78xx arrow out of my new compound bow. At that time there were a few guys here who said Slick Trick. My friends here looked at me like I was crazy. Most of them now are shooting slick trick and not many deer get away. I go back and forth between the Magnus Stinger with the bleeder and the viper trick on my long bow. Expect it should work.
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I used to only shoot shotguns and rimfires, then I made the mistake of getting a subscription to handloader.......
I’ve used 125 gr. Rocky Mountains for over 40 years. I’ve never had a problem with them. I must have a hundred of them. What do you use?
I've used the 140 gr. Rocky Mountain 4 blade for years and never had issues as that's what I have been tuned into with my old Bow. Same thing, I must have hundreds. My son uses Iron Will Broad heads, and is very happy with them, as their a little pricey but man they fly good at any distance, and he shoots a lot at long distances. I'll probably switch up soon as I'm in the process of switching bows and equipment.
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I’ve lost count on how many hogs I have killed with them here at the Ranch.
Once had 3 sows lined up at my ground blind by the feeder. Closest one was 10 yards away. All were probably 80 to 100 lbs. Aimed for the lungs on the closest pig. The arrow zipped right through the first 2 pigs, and stuck in the 3rd pig, with the broadhead sticking out about 4” on the far side of the furthest pig.
The first 2 ran about 50 yards and died. The 3rd one flopped over on its side and broke off the back half of my Carbon arrow. She kicked a few times and died. The Muzzy Broadhead was still usable with some minor sharpening.
You should call Muzzy and monetize that testimonial.
Simmons Swampsharks and Zwickey Deltas and Cliffs. Used to be a SuperRazorhead user and used Grizzly glue ons when I was shooting wood for a couple years.
The Simmons cut holes like a machete and I don’t even use the big ones.
Simmons Swampsharks and Zwickey Deltas and Cliffs. Used to be a SuperRazorhead user and used Grizzly glue ons when I was shooting wood for a couple years.
The Simmons cut holes like a machete and I don’t even use the big ones.
Been watching Bayou Bowhunter on YouTube.
He shoots those Swampsharks. Wicked boogers for sure.
The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!
Shot a Cow elk the end of Sept. with a 50# Hoyt Torrex Xt and 355gr arrow using a Wack'em 3 blade 100gr. Pass thru, arrow was about 15yards beyond the elk. This was the 3rd elk that I have killed with Wack'ems. I have no reason to change.
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They are the Easton Axix 5mm 400 spine. I bought them from a guy on the classifieds. They are about 3" longer than they need to be for my draw but they shoot well so I left them like that.
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Been a Nap 125 grain spitfire guy for a lot of years. This year I opted to go two blade single bevel OVERKILL SAMURAI 200 BROADHEAD. The sample of one deer offered awesome results with the two blade this Wednesday. Deer galloped away for 15 yards, stumbled & walked another 18 yards before tiping over in well under 30 seconds.
Blood trail was non existent. Still had no trouble trailing him. Sample of one leaves me wishing to try another & use the bow for my rifle any deer tag next weekend. We will see.
They are the Easton Axix 5mm 400 spine. I bought them from a guy on the classifieds. They are about 3" longer than they need to be for my draw but they shoot well so I left them like that.
Follow up to the first short video. I took the same arrow and broadhead I killed a buck with Thursday to Ohio with me today (touched up of course). This is the result. both lungs and took the one of the arteries clean off the top of the heart.
Started with Thuderhead 125's in the 80's. Founnd them to perform well when I shot fingers and pins at 50 pounds from my old Darton. When I switched to Mathews Ifound them inaccurate wiithout a serious tuning. Shot Muzzy's then Rage mechanicals. Switched to Slik trick Magnums then Standards been shooting Viper trick 100's for the last 2 years never shot a fixed blade broadhead that was more accurate put em in the right place there all pretty deadly.
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